Open Discussion about Bugs?

uh, this is going to be a funny one

so are we allowed to talk about bugs?

I vote 'AYE'

but I am also afraid that players that have advantage in wallets will gain unlimited power after that.

that is why I am doing my best not to use any advance tactics against them. so they cannot learn new tactics.

this a interesting topic. I agree with you!

lets allow people to learn game like it always was but do not punish them for uncovering new ways of using it

most of people stop on lvl 1- Hnr

some move forward and inculde other tactics and strategies getting to lvl 2 at most

I have never seen anyone lvl 3 - operating melee Hnr strategies interchangeably

not saying about lvl 4- with melee, planes, Hnr, fleet , reserves, flanking, decoys and so on

As it's been almost a week and there has been no answer,

Alkyonor would you be able to answer please?

Alkyonor , freezy , Akiar , Arcorian , Ikkeenniem

Can anyone answer please?

I can't see that it's banned anywhere, so I guess we should assume it is allowed

<eating popcorn and awaiting first warn>

Sckopen

Alkyonor , freezy , Akiar , Arcorian , Ikkeenniem

Can anyone answer please?

I can't see that it's banned anywhere, so I guess we should assume it is allowed

I will give a shout in our internal. There has been an internal discussion about it recently so it is for certain a good question.

to forbid bugs and expoits you need to know them and game mechanics...

and probably play professionaly, not casually with friendpacks

Golden Frieeza

to forbid bugs and expoits you need to know them and game mechanics...

and probably play professionaly, not casually with friendpacks

Bytro knows most 'bugs' they receive the reports of users who felt cheated even by simple things let stand the major game changing ones.

well there is couple new ones , I guess after last update

Sckopen

So, are we able to create a post explaining certain bugs like the combat system bug? I can't see why this wouldn't be allowed, but I sense this is quite a sensitive matter.

Well, in order to report bugs you need to be allowed to make that a topic on the forums. So yes, you are allowed to create a post to explain bugs on the forums.

The fine line lies between:

• Explaining a bug so we are made aware of it in order to fix it,
• Explaining an advanced strategy (something in the game that is accepted, but is referred to as a bug by some players) to other players
• And publicly explaining how to take advantage of an exploit (which is not allowed, as you can imagine).

Arcorian

Well, in order to report bugs you need to be allowed to make that a topic on the forums. So yes, you are allowed to create a post to explain bugs on the forums.

The fine line lies between:

• Explaining a bug so we are made aware of it in order to fix it,
• Explaining an advanced strategy (something in the game that is accepted, but is referred to as a bug by some players) to other players
• And publicly explaining how to take advantage of an exploit (which is not allowed, as you can imagine).

I think we all know that point 2 and 3 can't go together.

In the game everything is accepted, but the things people like us know they aren't working properly, we refer to them as a bug. We could call it "feature" instead of bugs, so we'll be explaining something we think it's a feature and therefore that would be allowed, according to your point, however, FOR YOU, those things are bugs, so we would get banned for it even if we call it a feature.

nemuritor98

FOR YOU, those things are bugs, so we would get banned for it even if we call it a feature

Well we don't ban right away. We would remove the post if it falls under the exploit category and inform you that the thing you described is an exploit

NarmerTheLion

Well we don't ban right away. We would remove the post if it falls under the exploit category and inform you that the thing you described is an exploit

Good joke lol

boris.de could you throw some input into this conversation?

Exploit is a proper name

can someone describe exploit that we observe: troops are telepeorted 3,6,12 ++ hours ahead of their movement

this would be useful on big maps like 500 as it will speed up moving troops

Arcorian

Well, in order to report bugs you need to be allowed to make that a topic on the forums. So yes, you are allowed to create a post to explain bugs on the forums.

The fine line lies between:

• Explaining a bug so we are made aware of it in order to fix it,
• Explaining an advanced strategy (something in the game that is accepted, but is referred to as a bug by some players) to other players
• And publicly explaining how to take advantage of an exploit (which is not allowed, as you can imagine).

I'm not talking about bug reports, I'm talking about bugs that have been reported many times over the years, even by myself through the Bug Brigade or as a support member, and that don't get fixed. So the first point is out of the discussion.

The thing is how can a player know the difference between 2 and 3? S&S is a bug which is allowed, planes retargeting is a bug which is allowed.. But what about defending an allied with your troops for a melee combat? That would produce a bugged combat which you don't allow, although it's not explained anywhere.

So yes, the question is why wouldn't we be able to explain to players that having troops in an allied province is going to cause a bug? Why can't we explain what would happen if you touch diplomacy status during a melee combat? There are things that some players already know, but many don't.. And I find it unfair that it can't be made public for everyone to know so that we can all play in equal conditions. And no, it's not "publicly explaining how to take advantage of an exploit", it's simply explaing how the game works.

That would also solve all the silly disputes about bug exploits in proper competitive games.. If everyone knew how the game worked, with all it's flaws, there wouldn't be so many problems in competitive games and we might be able to organise more.. But everytime there's a tournament or a league, there's problems because of this which the support team have to deal with.

And as Nemuritor as already said, I refer to these as bugs because I know they aren't intended to work like that. But in reality they do, have been for years and you have no intention of changing.. So why not just make them "legal" or make the public.. Turn them in to "features" instead of bugs in the same way many other things have.

Sckopen

But what about defending an allied with your troops for a melee combat? That would produce a bugged combat which you don't allow, although it's not explained anywhere.

I totally agree if 'accepted' it should be explained somewhere to level the battle field like SnS is in the FaQ but I myself have to little knowledge of them and tbh have no idea myself at this point what is bug and what is "feature" despite having acces to the sources.

Note that this reaction is made from a player point of view not a crew member point of view nothing in my post can be used to justify further actions

NarmerTheLion

tbh have no idea myself at this point what is bug and what is "feature" despite having acces to the sources.

If you have access to the source(sckopen and I did too) and you can't tell which is a bug and which is a "feature" then how are you going to warn/ban for exploits?

NarmerTheLion

I totally agree if 'accepted' it should be explained somewhere to level the battle field like SnS is in the FaQ but I myself have to little knowledge of them and tbh have no idea myself at this point what is bug and what is "feature" despite having acces to the sources.

Precisely, I don't know everything, but if it was allowed to publicly discuss all these "bugs", then we could all share our knowledge, make up a list and there could be clear rules as to what is allowed and what isn't.

Right now, there is too much subjectivity, if there is a problem/ticket, whoever is in charge of it decides based on his/her experience.

nemuritor98

If you have access to the source(sckopen and I did too) and you can't tell which is a bug and which is a "feature" then how are you going to warn/ban for exploits?

Yeah, there isn't a bug list even available for support members and they aren't really informed of anything.. What I know about the game is out of experience and I would say most support members are the same.