Concept to Keep Players IN a round until the end.

i like this idea!

yes, good idea

Furry1

Many people complain bitterly about joining a round and by day 10 or so there are only a HANDFUL of players left because most of the starting players have gone AI.

Now one of the reasons that players go AI is to try and protect their statistics.

What IF when you join a round you need to play it until the end or the losses you take after you have gone AI are still counted against your account? Oh and before anyone jumps on me and talks about it, YES, I have also gone AI in games to try and save my stats, so yeah, it will affect me too.

Complicated. Many people goes AFK because of... "anything". You can't punish them for that since Bytro doesn't want to people are logged in constantly.

However, an "equidistant" solution could be achieved by protecting the statistics from those who went AFK but, on the other hand, allow active players to improve their own by conquering the former countries of those AFK players.

I seriously doubt that protecting stats is the reason that even 1% of people go afk

Furry1

Many people complain bitterly about joining a round and by day 10 or so there are only a HANDFUL of players left because most of the starting players have gone AI.

Now one of the reasons that players go AI is to try and protect their statistics.

What IF when you join a round you need to play it until the end or the losses you take after you have gone AI are still counted against your account? Oh and before anyone jumps on me and talks about it, YES, I have also gone AI in games to try and save my stats, so yeah, it will affect me too.

I have witnessed Bytro reduce the inactivity period from 5 days down to 2 days, so Bytro is also protecting these players K/D ratios, especially in 500 maps where you have huge armies, Bytro can fix this by simply returning to the prior 5 days inactivity standard.

While on this topic another deceptive statistic with overall experience of players since Bytro made all AI Elite, these players are achieving high military rank with 80% of their score being fighting against AI

Hastings TNT

I have witnessed Bytro reduce the inactivity period from 5 days down to 2 days, so Bytro is also protecting these players K/D ratios, especially in 500 maps where you have huge armies, Bytro can fix this by simply returning to the prior 5 days inactivity standard.

While on this topic another deceptive statistic with overall experience of players since Bytro made all AI Elite, these players are achieving high military rank with 80% of their score being fighting against AI

Regarding inactivity period, I feel that a 2 day period is the lesser evil here (vs. 4 or 5 day period). When the inactivity period was 4/5 days, it is so easy to improve K/D ratio by bombarding those static troops standing there doing nothing. I would think that a shorter inactivity period results in the KDR being a better reflection of a player's skills and ability. Furthermore, in the past when inactivity period is longer and I want to preserve my KDR, I would just send my troops out of range of the enemy (e.g.. out to sea or far inland).

As for the deceptive statistics, I personally see military rank as a poor indicator of a player's skills and ability. I don't infer that a player is a good player simply because he has high military rank. I am under the impression that most players with some experience rely on KDR more than rank.. But it would be cool if the rank system could be reworked to make military rank a more meaningful indicator (I have no suggestions though).

Demonaire

Complicated. Many people goes AFK because of... "anything". You can't punish them for that since Bytro doesn't want to people are logged in constantly.

However, an "equidistant" solution could be achieved by protecting the statistics from those who went AFK but, on the other hand, allow active players to improve their own by conquering the former countries of those AFK players.

But going inactive here means being AFK for 2 days straight. Even if Bytro doesn't want people to log in constantly, they would still want players to log in at least once every 1-2 days right? I think if we want KDR to be a good indicator of skills and ability, then dropping the KDR of players who don't log in for 2 days straight seems like the right thing to do..

well as i says in another thread on the same subject that i joined a round (iron order) and 21 of 26 players left at the start of day 4 so thought i will give it another go and this round even worse, 23 of 26 players gone at the start of day 4. what is the point i ask ??? these players are ruining games, iron order will never last at this rate. bytro really need to do something soon

ScaredyCat

But going inactive here means being AFK for 2 days straight. Even if Bytro doesn't want people to log in constantly, they would still want players to log in at least once every 1-2 days right? I think if we want KDR to be a good indicator of skills and ability, then dropping the KDR of players who don't log in for 2 days straight seems like the right thing to do..

Yes, but, again, far from make those users remain in the match, that measure would end pushing them away from the game and that's not in the Bytro's best interests.

Demonaire

Yes, but, again, far from make those users remain in the match, that measure would end pushing them away from the game and that's not in the Bytro's best interests.

Okay, I get it... can't complain too much since this is a free-to-play game

ScaredyCat

Okay, I get it... can't complain too much since this is a free-to-play game

Had that way, I'd close this thread and I wouldn't allow further debate. Instead, I think it's worth to debate but also I let it clear why it's very possible Bytro won't accept it.

I agree we don't want to push players away from the game. The idea is to get them to enter a round and stick around instead of vanishing after a couple days. So, instead of punishing them like I intimated, perhaps we can come up with some kind of incentive to keep them in the match? This is why I think you're right in keeping the thread open Demonaire.

Furry1

I agree we don't want to push players away from the game. The idea is to get them to enter a round and stick around instead of vanishing after a couple days. So, instead of punishing them like I intimated, perhaps we can come up with some kind of incentive to keep them in the match? This is why I think you're right in keeping the thread open Demonaire.

the only thing bytro can offer players to stay in a round is gold, maybe after a week all active players get a small amount of gold and so on till the end of the round ????

fieldmarshal model

the only thing bytro can offer players to stay in a round is gold, maybe after a week all active players get a small amount of gold and so on till the end of the round ????

That is one possibility although too much free Gold is not good for Bytro either. Here's another concept, bring back the Daily Spin but attach it to the game. You get one free spin a day provided you're active in the game.

Furry1

That is one possibility although too much free Gold is not good for Bytro either. Here's another concept, bring back the Daily Spin but attach it to the game. You get one free spin a day provided you're active in the game.

the tombola of blue print lol, they would need decent prizes

fieldmarshal model

the only thing bytro can offer players to stay in a round is gold, maybe after a week all active players get a small amount of gold and so on till the end of the round ????

A small gold amount payable at the conclusion of a game as a 'loyalty' payment would definitely keep more people in a game until conclusion. a weekly even smaller amount if you login each day would see much more activity in games. World of warships and other games already do this successfully.

A lot of other free games reward players with upgrades, coins, gems, special items, badges and equipment etc.

I don't know what would work. Just brainstorming.

Play until day 8 and gain a free Fortress upgrade.

Play until day 10 and gain a free factory upgrade.

Play until day 12 and gain 1 free artillery.

Play until day 20 and gain 1 special unit not available for regular production. e.g. Sapper Unit used to destroy fortresses

In the scheme of things, these are small but they are some reward for those of us who stick around and play.

The longer people play, ( don't have any data to back this idea) I guess the greater chance they will purchase GM or click mobile advertising.

These would not affect the spending of GM or via mobile the watching of ads. People will still do that.

Maybe these types of rewards could be limited to or customised for selected maps.

For those who play seriously, the games can be long, so what to do for games that go for months I am not sure.

Maybe need to stretch out the milestones when rewards appear.

Alexander Apollo

A lot of other free games reward players with upgrades, coins, gems, special items, badges and equipment etc.

I don't know what would work. Just brainstorming.

Play until day 8 and gain a free Fortress upgrade.

Play until day 10 and gain a free factory upgrade.

Play until day 12 and gain 1 free artillery.

Play until day 20 and gain 1 special unit not available for regular production. e.g. Sapper Unit used to destroy fortresses

In the scheme of things, these are small but they are some reward for those of us who stick around and play.

The longer people play, ( don't have any data to back this idea) I guess the greater chance they will purchase GM or click mobile advertising.

These would not affect the spending of GM or via mobile the watching of ads. People will still do that.

Maybe these types of rewards could be limited to or customised for selected maps.

For those who play seriously, the games can be long, so what to do for games that go for months I am not sure.

Maybe need to stretch out the milestones when rewards appear.

good idea

It sounds good