So I think combat system when attacking small stacks of 2 units is broken (this may extend to larger stacks but I am focusing on what I can test easily).
I have a stack of 5 Inf and 5 AC (Axis and all level 1 and slightly damaged 196.7 HP out of 200)
It is attacking a stack of 1 x Inf and 1 x AA (Axis and all level 1 and undamaged 34 out of 34 HP)
The combat is in a city
Stack info reports (and I know these are average and actual will be a bit different due to RNG
my stack will deal out 43.1 HP damage to the enemy
the enemy stack in defense will do 10.8 HP damage to me
So: my expectation is that I will have a pretty good chance of an immediate kill on this 2 stack
But no, the result is I kill the AA and leave the Inf completely undamaged and I take 7.4 HP damage
What I do not understand is why the Inf is completely undamaged at the end of the first combat round - I think the combat system is broken in this situation - I have seen this multiple times that is why I am reporting it here now
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24 Jun 2021, 00:10
RogodeterSnowl wrote:
So I think combat system when attacking small stacks of 2 units is broken (this may extend to larger stacks but I am focusing on what I can test easily).
I have a stack of 5 Inf and 5 AC (Axis and all level 1 and slightly damaged 196.7 HP out of 200)
It is attacking a stack of 1 x Inf and 1 x AA (Axis and all level 1 and undamaged 34 out of 34 HP)
The combat is in a city
Stack info reports (and I know these are average and actual will be a bit different due to RNG
my stack will deal out 43.1 HP damage to the enemy
the enemy stack in defense will do 10.8 HP damage to me
So: my expectation is that I will have a pretty good chance of an immediate kill on this 2 stack
But no, the result is I kill the AA and leave the Inf completely undamaged and I take 7.4 HP damage
What I do not understand is why the Inf is completely undamaged at the end of the first combat round - I think the combat system is broken in this situation - I have seen this multiple times that is why I am reporting it here now
It's something called fortifications
"So as long as there are men, there will always be wars"- Albert Einstein "Football is a game of deceit"- Diego Maradona. Call of war is to.
24 Jun 2021, 00:20
No fortifications present - just the 15% core combat defense advantage
This is only the end of Day 1 of a 100 player game
Does not preclude fortifications but there were none there
24 Jun 2021, 00:25
RogodeterSnowl wrote:
No fortifications present - just the 15% core combat defense advantage
This is only the end of Day 1 of a 100 player game
Does not preclude fortifications but there were none there
sbde?
"So as long as there are men, there will always be wars"- Albert Einstein "Football is a game of deceit"- Diego Maradona. Call of war is to.
24 Jun 2021, 00:35 (edited)
SBDE not especially relevant under 1.5
I had 10 units only so that is all that really matters in terms of full combat efficiency (or so I understand)
Anyway, the Stack Info report takes this into account (I presume)
24 Jun 2021, 05:55
i believe it is a genuine bug that occurs when damaging a stack with different unit types. it occured to me as well, but never documented it.
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24 Jun 2021, 06:30
i think they have some system that reduce damage when one unit type is destroyed in the stack cuz it happened to me several times ( i thought it was another feature that i didnt kmow)
24 Jun 2021, 11:04
Same here, multy unit stack takes dmg to one unit whilecthe other unit is unharmed.
24 Jun 2021, 11:23
the simple answer is, opposites. AA takes very less damage compared to infantry, thats why
24 Jun 2021, 12:45
Captain herkemier wrote:
the simple answer is, opposites. AA takes very less damage compared to infantry, thats why
i do not remember an 'AA' Armour class nor the stating in-game that Certain units will stay unharmed during an attack.
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24 Jun 2021, 18:29
Remember that for each attack there's an X-factor. You will never do a maximum damage output. It's a theoretical number, but the first casualty of war is the battle plan. Infantry is 50% stronger in defence plus the 15% bonus from the cores taking less damage and giving 15% more damage output, infantry is 80% stronger in it's cores in defence than you in attack. On top of it this gets amplified as infantry gets a bonus in cities which gives the defender even more advantage. Your AC are vulnerable in a city and don't get any bonus. It's pretty logic that you didn't kill those unit on the spot.
Remember that for each attack there's an X-factor. You will never do a maximum damage output. It's a theoretical number, but the first casualty of war is the battle plan. Infantry is 50% stronger in defence plus the 15% bonus from the cores taking less damage and giving 15% more damage output, infantry is 80% stronger in it's cores in defence than you in attack. On top of it this gets amplified as infantry gets a bonus in cities which gives the defender even more advantage. Your AC are vulnerable in a city and don't get any bonus. It's pretty logic that you didn't kill those unit on the spot.
I am sorry - what you say does not wash at all
I know the city has advantages and that Infantry is better in defense but these factors (I presume) are all taken into account in the "Army Info" button - this clearly stated I would do 43 damage. - I know there is a RNG to vary combat results but the result of that combat is that I killed an AA ie inflicted 17 HP damage and the Inf was left completely unharmed - this is broken.
25 Jun 2021, 09:22
This game is more than just the match between HP and damage output. A battle never goes the way you planned, just like you experienced. You will rarely take out two units in a single hit. An AA is a strong unit in mÊlÃĐe combat especially with infantry. It is weird however that only the AA was affected. It's usually the other way around, AA normally is the last unit to die.
but in a battle, Both unit types should be affected with a decrease in hp.
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25 Jun 2021, 20:57
Karl von Krass wrote:
but in a battle, Both unit types should be affected with a decrease in hp.
This is my thesis exactly
There is something broken where one unit is killed and the other it totally unaffected.
I have seen this quite a few times which has led me to post this here in the hope that someone will look into it
25 Jun 2021, 21:12
the answer to this is HP
"So as long as there are men, there will always be wars"- Albert Einstein "Football is a game of deceit"- Diego Maradona. Call of war is to.
26 Jun 2021, 16:33
the answer is how many buildings were damaged ?
27 Jun 2021, 09:39
BMfox wrote:
Remember that for each attack there's an X-factor. You will never do a maximum damage output. It's a theoretical number, but the first casualty of war is the battle plan. Infantry is 50% stronger in defence plus the 15% bonus from the cores taking less damage and giving 15% more damage output, infantry is 80% stronger in it's cores in defence than you in attack. On top of it this gets amplified as infantry gets a bonus in cities which gives the defender even more advantage. Your AC are vulnerable in a city and don't get any bonus. It's pretty logic that you didn't kill those unit on the spot.
Not relevant to the problem, that some unit is stronger (has more damage) may change the amount of damage it receives in the case of planes attacking ground units, but even there, it's not enough to make a unit not receive any damage at all, not even a decimal.
Karl von Krass wrote:
but in a battle, Both unit types should be affected with a decrease in hp.
If there is enough damage against an armour class to kill units, the ones with the lowest hp are chosen to die. The rest of the damage would make sense to be equally distributed, but it doesn't in practice (at least I haven't seen it do that recently). This is probably to reflect overkill and focus firing, and such aspects, in a simple way that doesn't make the game hard to understand.
Last Warrior wrote:
the answer is how many buildings were damaged ?
Building damage is a separate factor and doesn't interfere with unit-to-unit damage, so it won't have any effect.
BMfox wrote:
AA normally is the last unit to die.
I'm not sure about that. I've noticed that in certain periods planes received damage differently. Normally, the damage a unit receives is the damage output of the enemy army against its armour class divided by the size of the army it is in. But for attacking planes, a plane receives the damage of each enemy unit multiplied by how much % of the total damage dealt to that enemy unit was from the plane. So, as AA has low damage against most units, it would be the last to die with this mechanic enabled, as the damage it deals would be low, therefore just few % of its army's damage, and it would receive the smallest portion of damage back.
However, I've never noticed this mechanic working for land unit fights, maybe it was implemented recently or only works on certain occasions...
If you have above 10k manpower, you're not investing properly. A good player never has many resources. Larger armies destroy enemies faster without taking damage from them. Build only: 1 military building in each city, airstrips, and recruiting stations to boost manpower. Minimize research, 2 unit types early, 6 types in late game. Upgrade old units, but: artillery lv1 to lv2 is a waste, only lv1 to lv4 is worth it. Enjoy Hornetkeeper
9 Jul 2021, 05:17 (edited)
Still no real answer from anybody about this issue - just happened again to me when I bombarded a stack with 1 x Inf and 1 x Mot Inf - the bombardment unit had enuf damage HP to kill the stack - Now I know the RNG will vary this so was not expecting the stack to die but as usual, one unit (the Inf) died and the other (the Mot Inf) was totally unharmed. This is frankly ridiculous and should be fixed (along with about 50 other things in the game I could comment on lol)
Of course, it just happened again - a BB fleet bombarding 1 x Inf and 1 x AA. Result AA completely killed and Inf pristine. Again there was enough combat power to kill both and you would expect damage to both not one killed and one perfect.
9 Jul 2021, 20:22
I had the same issues. My stack deals 80+ dmg vs an 1ac and 2lt stack at 23 hp. I killed the ac, lt still at same health.
15 Jul 2021, 15:23
While it is possible that due to 20% RNG and 15% core defense such attacks sometimes dont kill a stack outright, it still shouldn't happen that one unit remains completely unscathed, so it could be a bug indeed. I will forward it to our QA for testing.
