Yes. Even if it's somehow legit it would be worth looking into. If people are getting the server to change values, Bytro needs to figure out how to protect against it.
3 Apr 2023, 20:44
Morale Rising So Fast
In an Operation Supremacy game I'm in, the player playing Tibet has conquered most of Asia. He *JUST* conquered the province of Singora (a core province of Thailand) from Borneo. However, the province now has 66% morale, not the usual 25% when a province is freshly conquered. There has not been a day change for an hour before the province was captured, and there are no buildings in the province. I checked similar provinces Tibet has recently conquered, and they all have morale of 50% or higher, but not a constant value. I also checked if Tibet has conquered any capitals since the day change (which would increase the morale of all provinces) which he did not. I thought that he might be using gold to improve the morale of the provinces, but gold only increases the morale in increments of 10, so 66% and 58% (the morale of another of Tibet's recently conquered provinces) are not in increments of 10 of 25%.
This player has been behaving suspiciously throughout the game (i.e. having triple the army size of the 2nd most powerful nation) and is attacking other big countries with seemingly little resistance. Is this something that I should notify a dev about?
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
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3 Apr 2023, 20:53
Did Tibet previously own those provinces? The only non-gold non-hack explanation I can think of is that often the previous owner of a province gets a higher default morale when they recapture the province, which usually seems to be in that 50-70% range that theirs are appearing as. I think these instances are noted in the newspaper as a "recapture" instead of a "capture", though I haven't been able to figure out the exact circumstances that cause it to be one vs the other.
I'd handicap the probabilities as something like 50% previous owner, 49.99% gold, 0.01% hacker.
3 Apr 2023, 20:56
I've heard of the hack you're talking about, but all of the Malay and Thailand provinces have been owned by Borneo for at least 3 days. Tibet has never owned them.jubjub bird wrote:
Did Tibet previously own those provinces? The only non-gold non-hack explanation I can think of is that often the previous owner of a province gets a higher default morale when they recapture the province, which usually seems to be in that 50-70% range that theirs are appearing as.I'd handicap the probabilities as something like 50% previous owner, 49.99% gold, 0.01% hacker.
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
3 Apr 2023, 20:59
Strange. Maybe there are other circumstances when a player would get something other than the 25% default morale. I haven't played the Operation Supremacy map so don't know if there are quirks to that map that could cause this.
3 Apr 2023, 21:03
Also, not the case here since these numbers aren't divisible by 5 anyways, but just for awareness: the new booster cards include a booster that increases morale by 5%, so it is possible to jump by increments less than 10%.
3 Apr 2023, 21:05
Maybe they lost a few points of morale by bombardement AFTER they were increased in increments of 10 by gold?
3 Apr 2023, 21:13
Yeah, but if the morale is not a factor of 10 or 5 this wouldn't solve the case...jubjub bird wrote:
Also, not the case here since these numbers aren't divisible by 5 anyways, but just for awareness: the new booster cards include a booster that increases morale by 5%, so it is possible to jump by increments less than 10%.
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
3 Apr 2023, 21:17
Interesting viewpoint. While some of Tibet's recently conquered provinces have artillery stains, some, like Singora, do not.K.Rokossovski wrote:
Maybe they lost a few points of morale by bombardement AFTER they were increased in increments of 10 by gold?
Meanwhile, all provinces I recently conquered are still at 25% morale (revolting state)
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
3 Apr 2023, 21:48
Possibly. Brando, if you look at recently captured provs by other countries do they all seem normal?jubjub bird wrote:
I haven't played the Operation Supremacy map so don't know if there are quirks to that map that could cause this.
3 Apr 2023, 21:51
I've noticed that sometimes when I capture a province it has 24% morale. This is not often, but it has happended a number of times.jubjub bird wrote:
Strange. Maybe there are other circumstances when a player would get something other than the 25% default morale. I haven't played the Operation Supremacy map so don't know if there are quirks to that map that could cause this.
Is there an explanation? (I'm just curious.)
3 Apr 2023, 21:57
The only explanation I can think of is damage that occurs after you capture the province, such as capturing an airfield but still having to fight the convoys of the airplanes that had been stationed there, which could result in some minor morale damage. Maybe there are other reasons but none I can think of off the top of my head.Kolonnos wrote:
I've noticed that sometimes when I capture a province it has 24% morale. This is not often, but it has happended a number of times.Is there an explanation? (I'm just curious.)
3 Apr 2023, 22:07
Yes, Tibet's provinces are the only ones that are doing this.DxC wrote:
Possibly. Brando, if you look at recently captured provs by other countries do they all seem normal?jubjub bird wrote:
I haven't played the Operation Supremacy map so don't know if there are quirks to that map that could cause this.
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
3 Apr 2023, 22:08
I'm hoping that someone on the forum will have an answer for this - otherwise I will submit a bug report.
I might have to fight with Tibet soon and I don't want him pulling stunts like this on me.
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
3 Apr 2023, 22:16 (edited)
I don't think you'll get a magic answer here, just a bunch of hypothesizing. I think it's very likely to be some sort of regular game mechanic. Maybe it's a weird, rare bug. Go ahead and submit a ticket, just don't expect much of a response.
3 Apr 2023, 22:30
No units produce defensive morale damage. Do convoys have non-zero morale damage when attacking? Your units don't damage the morale of your own province do they?jubjub bird wrote:
still having to fight the convoys of the airplanes that had been stationed there, which could result in some minor morale damage
3 Apr 2023, 22:35
Just checked a couple convoys and I see 0.0 morale damage so that must not be it. I know for sure that your own units can damage the morale of your own provinces, like when you're bombarding an enemy tied up in melee combat in a province center that you own, so maybe that's what's happening.
I see defensive morale damage on my stacks, fwiw (not that that tab couldn't be wrong, because individual units don't show defensive morale damage).
3 Apr 2023, 22:54
Interesting. What kind of value does it have? How does it scale with unit counts? Does it vary from one unit type to another?jubjub bird wrote:
I see defensive morale damage on my stacks
4 Apr 2023, 01:02
It's just the same as the offensive damage. I just clicked around on a few stacks, all of them show defensive morale damage that's = to offensive morale damage. This is on the Army Details tab; the units themselves show zeroes.
4 Apr 2023, 12:51
It's just useless info, you can't actually defend against Morale, its not something than can attack you, lol.
4 Apr 2023, 13:49
No one is claiming that morale can attack you. The question is whether defending units contribute to morale decreases in a given province, or if that is only contributed by attacking units. I think our conclusion is that defending units do not contribute to morale drop, which means my hypothesis for Kolonnos's situation is probably incorrect.
We've deviated a bit from OP's question but it's all tangentially related.
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