tank destroyers are getting no strength reduction in cities.

noticed this when attacking computer owned cities that my attacking tanks had their hit points chopped in half while the defending tank destroyers had their full hit points.

throw in question...is strength just related to hit points or does it also affect attacking and defensive power?

All armor-class units lose 50% of their strength points (offensive, defensive, AA) when they enter cities, with the notable exception of mechanized infantry, which maintain their usual strength points. All armored car and tank units -- not including tank destroyers -- also lose 50% of their hit points in cities.

This means that cities are an ideal place to make a defensive stand against tank-heavy opponents. Cities are also a bad place to park your armored cars and tanks because they are also extremely vulnerable to air attack there, with reduced hit points and AA strength points reduced by half.

ender611 wrote:

noticed this when attacking computer owned cities that my attacking tanks had their hit points chopped in half while the defending tank destroyers had their full hit points.

Use infantry and other non-armoured units for this, not your tanks.

It is true that tank destroyers have the same hit points in cities that they do elsewhere. It isn't really a bug as that is the way they are designed.

Strength of +50% in plains and -50% in cities for armored units refers to how much damage they do on attack and defend portions of combat. This is separate from hit points.

MontanaBB wrote:

All armor-class units lose 50% of their strength points (offensive, defensive, AA) when they enter cities, with the notable exception of mechanized infantry, which maintain their usual strength points. All armored car and tank units -- not including tank destroyers -- also lose 50% of their hit points in cities.

ender611 wrote:

But how does one know [?]

Every unit has strengths that are peculiar to that type of unit, and most units have certain weaknesses, too. Those strengths and weaknesses often correspond to the terrain on which they are fighting. And every unit is stronger against certain other unit types, and weaker against others.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if one wants to run with the Big Dogs, one needs to do one's homework. Speaking as a two-year player who has won 12 games in 21 matches, and finished second behind an ally in another 7, there is no substitute for knowledge of the game.

The +100% will refer to the offensive and defensive values against all units (including air).

It will not affect the hit points

ender611 wrote:

If I see Commando get a 100% increase in mountains does that apply to his offensive, defensive, AA and also its hit points or just one?

For ground units, strength points include offensive, defensive, and anti-aircraft strength points. Aircraft units have offensive and defensive strength points against each other, as well as offensive strength points against ground and naval units. Naval units have offensive, defensive and AA strength points, but their offensive and defensive strength points are different against surface ship and submarine units.

Hit points, in effect, represent the number of times a unit needs to get "hit" before it is destroyed. Theoretically, if a unit is being attacked by an enemy unit, the enemy unit's offensive strength points correspond to "hits" against the unit under attack. That said, offensive strength points rarely, if ever, manifest themselves with 100% efficiency. As a rule of thumb, if a unit has 15 offensive strength points against a unit it is attacking, it will typically only inflict about 50% of its potential, or reduce the attacked unit's hit points by about 7. One of the reasons for the less than 100% offensive efficiency is the so-called "x-factor" (which, in reality, is multiple randomized combat factors), which means that results will vary between 0% and 100% with each attack.

MontanaBB wrote:

All armored car and tank units -- not including tank destroyers -- also lose 50% of their hit points in cities.

Thank you MontanaBB for clearing things up for me.

ender611 wrote:

So I take it that armored car and tank units are the only units that have their hit points affected as well as their attack/defense values.

And all ground and aircraft units are reduced to 5 hit points per unit when they are moving by ocean convoy.

Strength points vary by terrain for many unit types.

Commandos are +100% strength in the mountains, +25% in cities.

Lowly militia are +75% strength in hills and forests.

All armor class units, including armored cars and tanks, are +50% strength on plains, and -50% in cities. Note that the armor class also includes tank destroyers, self-propelled anti-aircraft, self-propelled artillery, and mechanized infantry ---- but mech infantry is an exception to the -50% city rule.

Most if not all motorized ground units, including all armor-class units plus motorized infantry, suffer strength reductions in the mountains.

If I am not mistaken, regular infantry is the only ground unit whose strengths do not vary positively or negatively by terrain.

There is a separate section for HP in the terrain sections, for each individual terrain type. Usually HP does not vary by terrain type except for armored cars and tanks in cities(TD's do not count as tanks, they count as motorized AT guns, hence why they don't get a decrease to health in cities). All other land units have uniform health across all land terrain types, only strength will vary considerably.

NovaTopaz wrote:

There is a separate section for HP in the terrain sections, for each individual terrain type. Usually HP does not vary by terrain type except for armored cars and tanks in cities . . .

1. refueling aircraft have reduced hit points, as noted above;

2. aircraft truck convoys have reduced hit points, as noted above; and

3. ocean convoys of aircraft and ground units have reduced hit points, as noted above.

All of which are important exceptions that leave those unit types very vulnerable to attack while in their reduced hit point condition.

MontanaBB wrote:

NovaTopaz wrote:

There is a separate section for HP in the terrain sections, for each individual terrain type. Usually HP does not vary by terrain type except for armored cars and tanks in cities . . .

AND EXCEPT:

1. refueling aircraft have reduced hit points, as noted above;

2. aircraft truck convoys have reduced hit points, as noted above; and

3. ocean convoys of aircraft and ground units have reduced hit points, as noted above.

All of which are important exceptions that leave those unit types very vulnerable to attack while in their reduced hit point condition.

NovaTopaz wrote:

A lot of important stuff can be gleamed from the terrain section . . .