All rockets and nuclear rockets have both an attack and defense value of "blank" versus subs. I interpret "blank" to mean 0. Whenever you fire either of these weapons at a stack that contains subs, the subs take no damage. However, in the case of nuclear battleships the "blank" appears to have a different meaning. Nuclear battleships have an attack and defense value versus subs of "blank". Last night I attacked 3 nuclear battleships that did not have an escort with an elite sub with attack/defense values of 6/7.5 versus ships. The unescorted Nuclear Battleships with "Blank/Blank" versus subs sank both of the subs I sent in.
What is the attack/defense value of "blank" in this instance? Obviously blank means something different then what it means for rockets. The paper reported the subs were sank by the Nuclear battleships. I checked the stack prior to engagement and nothing else was in the stack, just 3 nuclear battleships.
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14 May 2019, 15:37
Peter Mat wrote:
I checked the stack prior to engagement and nothing else was in the stack, just 3 nuclear battleships.
You sure there were not any subs in that stack? They wouldn't be visible without a patrol from a naval bomber, a spy report, or an engagement.
For Melee combat there is always a minor level of damage done on attack and defense for two reasons. First if no damage was done you could end up in a situation where combat between two units could continue forever. Secondly combat is based on math, and involving zero's in complex equations produces errors instead of results.
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14 May 2019, 15:46
VorlonFCW wrote:
For Melee combat there is always a minor level of damage done on attack and defense for two reasons. First if no damage was done you could end up in a situation where combat between two units could continue forever. Secondly combat is based on math, and involving zero's in complex equations produces errors instead of results.
i had always assumed that naval forces were ranged combat, if they were melee they would be crashing into each other instead of using their ships weapons
14 May 2019, 17:10
grandpooba52 wrote:
i had always assumed that naval forces were ranged combat, if they were melee they would be crashing into each other instead of using their ships weapons
Yes the bombardment is a ranged attack. Subs are a direct contact melee type attack though.
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14 May 2019, 17:10 (edited)
VorlonFCW wrote:
You sure there were not any subs in that stack? They wouldn't be visible without a patrol from a naval bomber, a spy report, or an engagement.
I had a sub near the stack for viewing the stack and did not see any subs. It sounds like your telling me that subs can not see subs, which contradicts my earlier understanding. I had 10 NAV over the stack earlier in the day plus hit it with a stack of 5 subs while at work, but they were all shot down or sunk by my return, which I assumed is why all the escort vessels were missing leaving just the 3 Nuclear BB.
Update: I just lit up the stack with some NAV Bombers and it is showing 4 subs and 2 nuclear subs witht he 3 Nuclear BB now. They have moved up the coast, so I am still unsure of when they joined the group.
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14 May 2019, 17:18
only naval bombers can see subs not in combat and the excort ships easily took out the naval bombers
14 May 2019, 20:19
Subs cannot “See” other subs unless they crash into them and attack.
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14 May 2019, 21:24
grandpooba52 wrote:
only naval bombers can see subs not in combat and the excort ships easily took out the naval bombers
Not that easily as he never developed or included cruisers in his naval builds, so it was elite NAV's vs. DD and both types of BB plus any subs that I never saw in the stack.
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14 May 2019, 21:43
I am not sure if I am in right thread but I will ask here. I had 2 at guns and one aa gun in province who was attacked by AI. He used a convoy of 15 rockets and I expected to receive no damage, but I lost one at gun and other two units were badly damaged. I still wonder how....
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14 May 2019, 22:37
Peter Mat wrote:
Not that easily as he never developed or included cruisers in his naval builds, so it was elite NAV's vs. DD and both types of BB plus any subs that I never saw in the stack.
i would still pick the ships as the winners of that attack those nuke battleships have reasonable def against air and lots of hitpoints and the other ships would contribute to the meat shield and defense
14 May 2019, 23:31
patriota75 wrote:
I am not sure if I am in right thread but I will ask here. I had 2 at guns and one aa gun in province who was attacked by AI. He used a convoy of 15 rockets and I expected to receive no damage, but I lost one at gun and other two units were badly damaged. I still wonder how....
Not only sea convoys (transport ships) but also land convoys (trucks) have some low combat values (0,2 or 0,3 or so..) which are sadly still not displayed in the units info (otherwise than by the ships since around a year).
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