Air and Secret Units Effect to Economic Power

Not only does this make no sense, you answer all your own questions and this is more of a rant.

Fox-Company wrote:

Not only does this make no sense, you answer all your own questions and this is more of a rant.

many player have level 1-2 factories at day 10 mostly their production cant be more +500 hourly for each resource

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Not only does this make no sense, you answer all your own questions and this is more of a rant.

I see rocket artilleries medium tanks everywhere and I wonder why people keep to do this , even they know it is not goodmany player have level 1-2 factories at day 10 mostly their production cant be more +500 hourly for each resource

Fox-Company wrote:

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Not only does this make no sense, you answer all your own questions and this is more of a rant.

I see rocket artilleries medium tanks everywhere and I wonder why people keep to do this , even they know it is not goodmany player have level 1-2 factories at day 10 mostly their production cant be more +500 hourly for each resource

I do not know anyone who only has level 1-2 by day 10, atleast all my factories are lvl 3 by day 11-12 if possible, and med+rocket arty is a horrible combo, just do Lt+Arty and that beats the heck outta it, something my tactic is made to counter.

if you spend your rare at the beginning for them you wont have factories and you wont have high level buildings for these type of units

most of players try to produce med tanks from level 1 tank plants because they spent all of them at beginning and they cant produce enough rare too to develop these buildings

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Not only does this make no sense, you answer all your own questions and this is more of a rant.

I see rocket artilleries medium tanks everywhere and I wonder why people keep to do this , even they know it is not goodmany player have level 1-2 factories at day 10 mostly their production cant be more +500 hourly for each resource

I do not know anyone who only has level 1-2 by day 10, atleast all my factories are lvl 3 by day 11-12 if possible, and med+rocket arty is a horrible combo, just do Lt+Arty and that beats the heck outta it, something my tactic is made to counter.

research something is not important , you can wait 3-4 days without research something but you have limited time to level up factories and your factories must be in construction always 1-2-3-4-5 when one level is completed keep with other level , if you go med tanks tank plants secret labs rocket artilleries you cant level up your factoriesif you spend your rare at the beginning for them you wont have factories and you wont have high level buildings for these type of units

most of players try to produce med tanks from level 1 tank plants because they spent all of them at beginning and they cant produce enough rare too to develop these buildings

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Undaunted wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

I see rocket artilleries medium tanks everywhere and I wonder why people keep to do this , even they know it is not goodmany player have level 1-2 factories at day 10 mostly their production cant be more +500 hourly for each resource

I do not know anyone who only has level 1-2 by day 10, atleast all my factories are lvl 3 by day 11-12 if possible, and med+rocket arty is a horrible combo, just do Lt+Arty and that beats the heck outta it, something my tactic is made to counter.

research something is not important , you can wait 3-4 days without research something but you have limited time to level up factories and your factories must be in construction always 1-2-3-4-5 when one level is completed keep with other level , if you go med tanks tank plants secret labs rocket artilleries you cant level up your factoriesif you spend your rare at the beginning for them you wont have factories and you wont have high level buildings for these type of units

most of players try to produce med tanks from level 1 tank plants because they spent all of them at beginning and they cant produce enough rare too to develop these buildings

You only need to build one or two level 1 secret lab at the start and just keep it producing RA. I don't find that rare are any more troublesome than any other resource. It just depends on the production of your particular country and on the market. In general, rares are pretty easy to get from the market. I do tend to prioritize factories in rare provinces though, since I use a lot of rare.

DxC wrote:

You only need to build one or two level 1 secret lab at the start and just keep it producing RA. I don't find that rare are any more troublesome than any other resource. It just depends on the production of your particular country and on the market. In general, rares are pretty easy to get from the market. I do tend to prioritize factories in rare provinces though, since I use a lot of rare.

DxC wrote:

You only need to build one or two level 1 secret lab at the start and just keep it producing RA. I don't find that rare are any more troublesome than any other resource. It just depends on the production of your particular country and on the market. In general, rares are pretty easy to get from the market. I do tend to prioritize factories in rare provinces though, since I use a lot of rare.

If you have 1 rare city + 1 rural rare province probably you produce +240 at hour at the beginning

2.3k research cost 1.7k secret lab 4k

750 tank plant 1050 research cost 1.75k

5.75k is gone only for med and rocket artillery with building and research

if you start to produce med tanks 490 for each one and to produce rocket artillery 1200 for each one

1.69k cost for every production from both of them

but you produce only 5760 rare for day so what can you do with this daily production ??

will you produce more med tanks and rocket arty ?

will you build more tank plant secret lab maybe airfactories ?

will you increase levels of tank plant and secret lab ?

will you build factories ?

comintern players has many advantage about costs but they spamming med tanks and rocket arty like crazy and forget to factories , it cause to lose economic power race at next days

I don't think there's anything special about Rares management relative to other resources. You just have to learn to balance it.

You have similar issues with Goods-heavy doctrines like Pan Asian. It becomes very difficult to get manpower up because you're constantly short on Goods, spending them on ints and artillery and ACs. Just gotta invest early and play for mid-late game.

jubjub bird wrote:

I don't think there's anything special about Rares management relative to other resources. You just have to learn to balance it.

You have similar issues with Goods-heavy doctrines like Pan Asian. It becomes very difficult to get manpower up because you're constantly short on Goods, spending them on ints and artillery and ACs. Just gotta invest early and play for mid-late game.

to increase your manpower production you need goods and foods

so step 1 rare oil iron goes to factory ( keep to unit production with good and food )

step 2 more goods and food comes

step 3 goods and food goes to recruit station

step 4 and finally you have high resource and manpower production

if you spammed armored cars ships planes tanks rocket arties at the beginning you cant develop , at least before others

I guess in the limited sense where you're talking about industry, sure. Rares, oil, and steel are needed to build industry, which is needed to produce more Rares, oil, and steel. I'm thinking about it in terms of the full economy, that you need both resources and manpower, and from that perspective they're all similar, you have to balance investing for later vs producing units now.

jubjub bird wrote:

I guess in the limited sense where you're talking about industry, sure. Rares, oil, and steel are needed to build industry, which is needed to produce more Rares, oil, and steel. I'm thinking about it in terms of the full economy, that you need both resources and manpower, and from that perspective they're all similar, you have to balance investing for later vs producing units now.

it is not about balance , you need oil rare and iron for factories not for other things especially at the beginning

you can still spam units with goods and food , especially artillery is main weapon for everyone

you don't need rocket arties attack bombers or med tanks to win battles

if you build air factories tank plants secret labs and research useless things there is no balance here

resource production +250 air factory wants 1700 secret labs wants 1700 both of them spent your 14 hours production

I said these resource types different because factory needs only them

if you spend goods or foods it wont effect to other resources it wont effect even itself production because factory doesnt need it

People tend to overlook the effect of the conquests of small AI's in the early days of the game, especially the looting. For conquering major powers you'll get one city's income of each resource, but the smaller nations have only one or two cities and it disrupts the natural balance of resources, because you will have the extra loot (several K of res for each small AI, which is quite a lot in the early days) for some resources and not for others. In my experience, this also means that the "problem resource" in the early game doesn't depend so much on doctrine, but on the geography of your nation and the early conquests you do; and also on the units you're building in the early game (a landlocked country is completely different from a naval power, etc); and it certainly isn't "always rares". Both industry and manpower are important to build up in the long run, so you can focus your economic expansion either way depending on the availability of the various resources. It should always be tailored to your specific situation, there really aren't any standard templates you can always use (other than "start building industry and resource centers early").