I don't want really talk against you, because verybody has it own way to fight some are better some are worse but as long as you win i don't care. But i am open for knew ways so if you guys have own tell me!
9 Dec 2022, 13:38
Attacker vs Defender ground units
It ıs hard to understand why people spam med tanks and moto infantries like crazy
they are totally useless even with doctrine bonuses
Defensive units always better than attacker ones
Because you can destroy enemy units with artillery , rocket , railroad gun , plane and ship
Why you need to produce 999 med tanks and rush everywhere randomly ?
if enemy attacker units are rushing you , put defensive units front of them , if you want rush you have a lot of option to start rush like arty,ship,rocket,plane etc. , is it not basic ?
Why you dont prefer infantries , armored cars and tank destroyers instead of motorized infantries and med tanks
They are cheaper
You can produce more
If your ground army is defensive you have never problem
Because If you want you can attack too
But ıf your army is attacker you cant defense
and you will have always problems
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9 Dec 2022, 13:41
It is not about winning a discussion, and nobody is right or wrong. Mot infantry could have a place where you need steel for other things.
yet the experience of people favours AC, it is quite simple, and it would be negligent (on your troops and results 
) to not take notice because you want to find out yourself.
9 Dec 2022, 13:48
As i said before normaly not against players sometimes stack with AC and most Units on land are unarmoured so why not?Gen. Smit wrote:
The point is AC could do that too, and is more robust (defense/HP/anti air), is prerequisite for tank destroyer/any tank, 5 vs 6 levels.
9 Dec 2022, 13:52 (edited)
you can win to game with even spamming light tanks there is no only one way to win gameBlackscall wrote:
I don't want really talk against you, because verybody has it own way to fight some are better some are worse but as long as you win i don't care. But i am open for knew ways so if you guys have own tell me!
I just try to say
you can complete to game with 500 units and 35 k/d ratio
and you can complete to game with 200 units and 2 k/d ratio
if you like second option , it is your decision
probably with attacker units you will lose more units , resource and always will have lesser unit than you could have
but you can still win game of course
however we can say with defensive units you will lose lesser unit , resource and you will have more unit always
more unit means more chance to win
9 Dec 2022, 13:53
Fully right i do like AC very much!!!!Gen. Smit wrote:
It is not about winning a discussion, and nobody is right or wrong. Mot infantry could have a place where you need steel for other things.yet the experience of people favours AC, it is quite simple, and it would be negligent (on your troops and results
They should be in very Army but thats not the case and thats why normaly Axis i rush with mot. Infantry. And good against AI?
Do you see the use of them?
9 Dec 2022, 14:03
Last game 320 Units 31.60 K/D as Peru HWW so im in the middle and i have much to learn and i will try your idea. I did play some only on AC once with planes but did Struggle against a player only going on heavy tanks and mot. AA and AC and good tac. planes!?Undaunted wrote:
you can win to game with even spamming light tanks there is no only one way to win gameBlackscall wrote:
I don't want really talk against you, because verybody has it own way to fight some are better some are worse but as long as you win i don't care. But i am open for knew ways so if you guys have own tell me!I just try to say
you can complete to game with 500 units and 35 k/d ratio
and you can complete to game with 200 units and 2 k/d ratio
if you like second option , it is your decision
probably with attacker units you will lose a lot of units , resource and always will have lesser unit than you could have
but you can still win game of course
however we can say with defensive units you will lose lesser unit , resource and you will have more unit always
Do you have tips for this scenario thats were i canged to mot. Infa and AC, tac. planes always used.
9 Dec 2022, 14:25
I couldn't understand exactly to scenario ?Blackscall wrote:
Last game 320 Units 31.60 K/D as Peru HWW so im in the middle and i have much to learn and i will try your idea. I did play some only on AC once with planes but did Struggle against a player only going on heavy tanks and mot. AA and AC and good tac. planes!?Do you have tips for this scenario thats were i canged to mot. Infa and AC, tac. planes always used.Undaunted wrote:
you can win to game with even spamming light tanks there is no only one way to win gameI just try to sayBlackscall wrote:
I don't want really talk against you, because verybody has it own way to fight some are better some are worse but as long as you win i don't care. But i am open for knew ways so if you guys have own tell me!you can complete to game with 500 units and 35 k/d ratio
and you can complete to game with 200 units and 2 k/d ratio
if you like second option , it is your decision
probably with attacker units you will lose a lot of units , resource and always will have lesser unit than you could have
but you can still win game of course
however we can say with defensive units you will lose lesser unit , resource and you will have more unit always
9 Dec 2022, 14:38
Heavy tanks--> artillery with tankdestroyer/antitank gun & infantry meatshield or attack bombersBlackscall wrote:
Last game 320 Units 31.60 K/D as Peru HWW so im in the middle and i have much to learn and i will try your idea. I did play some only on AC once with planes but did Struggle against a player only going on heavy tanks and mot. AA and AC and good tac. planes!?Do you have tips for this scenario thats were i canged to mot. Infa and AC, tac. planes always used.Undaunted wrote:
Blackscall wrote:
tacticals/ -->interceptors
mot inf/anything armored, tact. bomber, Rocket artillery (with meatshield)
AC anything armored and/or tank destroyer plus attack bombers
So from the use of these four and seeing that in the newspaper I would probably have gone for air force and AC/tank destroyers at choke points. But I am not very tank minded,
10 Dec 2022, 17:52 (edited)
Something to note that I don't think has been mentioned, Mot Inf are a day-one research for Axis but are a "level two" unit, in that they require at least a L2 barrack to produce at their minimum production time, which is why ACs are so much more spammable in early game even when playing as Axis (unless you want to spend resources on an upgraded building while economies are still slow, exacerbating the Axis resource issue)
10 Dec 2022, 18:18
Not to mention that the AC is the perfect counter to the MI.
Even though it's cheaper and faster to produce.
Axis MI attacking an Allied AC: AC wins in every terrain except Urban, where the MI barely wins in 8 rounds.
Any other doctrine, MI has no chance, as it's much weaker.
If we use 2x AC (because they are faster to build) then it's no contest, 2x AC win anywhere/everywhere.
If we use Pan Asian (which get an AC bonus) then again it's no contest, 1x Pan Asian AC wins anywhere/everywhere.
Whoever doubts the numbers, try it out for yourself: http://dxcalc.com/cow
10 Dec 2022, 18:30
it seems your math is badS Schmidt wrote:
Well my actually experience with Axis Motorized Infantry tells me that you cant beat them in the first 4 days of the game as attackers. I have used them and defeated mixed Inf and AC stacks on day 1, I can have at least 4 built and in action with LTs on day 1 as Axis, artillery isnt going to stop them either so your claims they arent worthwhile are invalid as you seem to not have ever used them properly as an Axis player.
11 Dec 2022, 01:33
What do you do against LT and Mot. Infantry? AC won't win against them! Even with Attelery it would be bad!
11 Dec 2022, 06:49
AT guns stop LT, and AC stops MI.
Not very complicated.
11 Dec 2022, 07:47
Na you attack with LT and you are in 2 hours throug by 1 vs 1 didn't say they are stack together. AT just use planes and they are gone.z00mz00m wrote:
AT guns stop LT, and AC stops MI.Not very complicated.
11 Dec 2022, 10:42
stop adding in factors to win the argument. The point is that MI is just not a very robust unit, Iand AC user would use tacticals the MI and LT would suffer too.Blackscall wrote:
Na you attack with LT and you are in 2 hours throug by 1 vs 1 didn't say they are stack together. AT just use planes and they are gone.z00mz00m wrote:
AT guns stop LT, and AC stops MI.Not very complicated.
11 Dec 2022, 11:38
Back to the main topic!
Like Undaunted i don't really see use in med tanks i see use in MI just because most enemys i fight against have no AC and such.
If they would have i would avoid war till i have LT at border, because i would be...!
AC is the counter to nearly every start Unit and unarmored Units!
11 Dec 2022, 12:30
yes defensive units is slow to expand you can expand your country faster with motorized infantry because most people don't know how to play game but if you come face to face with experienced player when you need to fight against a good player probably he will easily destroy motorized infantriesBlackscall wrote:
Back to the main topic!Like Undaunted i don't really see use in med tanks i see use in MI just because most enemys i fight against have no AC and such.
If they would have i would avoid war till i have LT at border, because i would be...!
AC is the counter to nearly every start Unit and unarmored Units!
11 Dec 2022, 13:00
Yup. Over 80% of experienced players use AC's intensively.
11 Dec 2022, 13:02
This is a point were i can agree, most of the games i play i win, but if it comes to better player i mostly ally. Or loose like once against sperly! MI is just a big risky unit easy destroyed if you know how to play!Undaunted wrote:
yes defensive units is slow to expand you can expand your country faster with motorized infantry because most people don't know how to play game but if you come face to face with experienced player when you need to fight against a good player probably he will easily destroy motorized infantriesBlackscall wrote:
Back to the main topic!Like Undaunted i don't really see use in med tanks i see use in MI just because most enemys i fight against have no AC and such.
If they would have i would avoid war till i have LT at border, because i would be...!
AC is the counter to nearly every start Unit and unarmored Units!
Very defense unit is better than the counter part!
12 Dec 2022, 23:11
How did you decide that? I stand 100% behind what I said.Undaunted wrote:
it seems your math is bad
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