Best Countries for Historical World War 25 player 1.5

- The US: it is a power house, it starts with a small army and a big navy that eats your oil. Give the US time to develop and it's unbeatable. However i've beaten the US with Canada by attacking at day one by performing a motorized infantry spam. The US most important cities and resource provinces are in the North East. The US is vunerable to an early attack from two sides. If Canada and Mexico ally themselves then it's RIP with the US.

- France: It starts with a good large army but it's a vunerable country surrounded at all sides. There's a high risk of ending up at war with Germany in the early game while you have the UK, Spain and Italy lurking over your shoulder. Fasten your seatbelts if Germany is allied with Italy, knowingly that also spain has axis doctrine.

- USSR: Starts with mainly infantry branch and is therefore vunerable to an attack of Germany who runs high on tanks. The country is huge and almost undefendable. If Russia is at war with a larger nation like Germany or often underestimated Japan then you can be sure that all those small Asian countries will start eating you away slowly. The many Asian countries that all fear Russia combined with both the chance of ending up in war with multiple European and Asian countries at the same time makes it quite challenging.

- Germany: Has the largest army in the game but it wears down it's economy which is quite difficult to handle. Germany is always the cible of the roleplaying dudes. It's pretty probable that you will end up at war with France, Poland, USSR, US and the UK. That's quite a dangerous cocktail.

My suggestion for good but often underestimated games would be:

- Japan: It's cores divided up in islands makes it almost impossible to invade if the player knows what he's doing. Some rockets, RRG and navy make it impregnable. You start with a good foothold in Asia which promotes easy expansion. In your cores you focus on economy, navy and airforce while on the mainland you focus on military production buildings.

- Brazil: It easily dominates South America and only this fact makes it a very interesting partner for the US.

- UK: It's easy to defend with a couple of naval bombers and navy and you don't end up so fast in the European war. With it's many islands it's not very tempting to attack. Attack the UK and you'll be at war the whole game long. The UK can easily build up slowly and pick the winning side in Europe or create a foothold on the mainland.

- Australia: Australia almost never get's attacked. You can get enough points to win the game on the mainland so why even bother. Australia can take down all the islands around it quite easily gathering a lot of points an building a solid economy. After that it can create a foothold in Asia and become a very attractive partner for other players.

Italy is best country on 25er historical map for average player.

It has fleet wich can handle french or GB's separate fleets. It has third most powerfull Land strikeforces in europe, but lesser economical shortage than france, germany or GB. It has valueble research level at begin.

Italy can easy build any coalition, due to risk of other countries to each other.

While strongest World Powers could have troubles to find really good and help full allie. USA under simultanous attack of Canada and Mexico in first three days is undefendeble for average players.

Same for USSR, with difference, USSR can find coalition even more quickly than Italy, the question is, is this coalition good enough or not. Japan without coalition in asia is toothless tiger on soil warfare.

Japan with coalition can be unstopable in asia, how ever, by same online time and same skills, best taktik for Japan and USSR peace after Fall of Vladivostok. Wich mean hurt for SU but not full death. War till the end is deadly for Japan. But SU had to secure most important West territory first.

Back to Italy. Italy rules on mediterrain area, and following in Afrika. With step by step economy boost it can reach TOP Powers.

Italy could be played even by new players with good online times. Germany is most difficult countries in game. Even average players can not handle it right.

USA are too slow in first 3 days. But after that it can be superior Italy. With same taktics.

Japan is too weak without coalition on soil. Can be outnumbered by economical value of national China. Has too high upkeep from day 1.

SU is too easy for pro's and impossible for common players without high online times.

GB is kind of Japan. Need time for build up, but can be deadly. Easy too defend, but can be outnumbered by economical values of European Nations. Has highest upkeep on day 1.

France is something like mixshake of germany with italy or GB. Not very much better geografical position than germanis, weakener fleet than GB, higher upkeep than Italy. Second most difficult countries after Germany.

Japan too weak? I'm just playing a game 1.5 with it and is like a Ferrari. Manchukuo erased in 8 hours, second day. Just make a few tanks and 6 or 7 motorized infantry, 5 or 6 planes and run all over the map. The superior naval power can face USA with no problem and the 20% speed bonus is the true key.

PD. Excuse my english

Brazil: No one cares about Brazil yet Brazil has the potential to become the second US, NGL, Brazil build up some air forces and a few tanks, a complete steamroll of South America and beyond is very probable.

USA: Safe start, ally with Canada, then build stacks of 2 LT + 3 Motorized Infantry. You are able to invade Mexico early on and make your way through Central America and eventually South America. Backstab Canada if you have the opportunity to do so. The AI's in Central America use Anti-Air + Anti-Tank + Militia stacks, so the normal LT Rush strategy won't work too well here.

Brazil: Same strategy as USA, but instead just invade Argentina who only has 4 urbans. Then you can take your time rolling over South America and make your way up to Central America where you can either ally with USA or go to war against him.

UK: Interesting playstyle as your urbans are scattered across the map. This can lead to you losing a lot of land due to AI's since it is hard to defend your colonies. You will find yourself fighting against Africa, Asia, and Europe all at once. I recommend avoiding UK unless you are skilled at the game and have experience with UK in other modes.

France: At the start of the game, you want to build up your fortifications near Belgium. If Germany chooses to invade you, he will likely go through Belgium. Also, build up artillery along the Maginot Line so you can overpower Germany's artillery. For safety, ally with Spain and UK so you can have a better chance against Germany.

Poland: Do not try Poland, it dies before the first day ends.

Germany: Probably the most fun country but the hardest to get. You start with a large army and can have all of Poland and France by day 2. It is likely that you will be able to gain control of Europe in a few days if you play smart.

Japan: Kind of boring as it takes a long time to embark/disembark to Asia. You can either go for the Asia Netherlands and Australia, USA, or China. If you go for Australia, you will be able to defeat it but will be racing against USA's Philippines. Australia serves no strategic benefit so only go for it to get the oil and points. If you decide to fight USA, you will win at first, but USA's insane economy and manpower will eventually be able to push you back until you are forced to surrender.

USSR: Big country with low level units. You should ally with Germany and Japan so you can focus on southern Europe and Middle East. It is so big that it is boring to play as and your urban provinces are scattered. Best part about USSR is that a lot of people think you are a big threat to them even though they could easily defeat you.

Scrappy_ wrote:

USA: Safe start, ally with Canada, then build stacks of 2 LT + 3 Motorized Infantry. You are able to invade Mexico early on and make your way through Central America and eventually South America. Backstab Canada if you have the opportunity to do so. The AI's in Central America use Anti-Air + Anti-Tank + Militia stacks, so the normal LT Rush strategy won't work too well here.

Brazil: Same strategy as USA, but instead just invade Argentina who only has 4 urbans. Then you can take your time rolling over South America and make your way up to Central America where you can either ally with USA or go to war against him.

UK: Interesting playstyle as your urbans are scattered across the map. This can lead to you losing a lot of land due to AI's since it is hard to defend your colonies. You will find yourself fighting against Africa, Asia, and Europe all at once. I recommend avoiding UK unless you are skilled at the game and have experience with UK in other modes.

France: At the start of the game, you want to build up your fortifications near Belgium. If Germany chooses to invade you, he will likely go through Belgium. Also, build up artillery along the Maginot Line so you can overpower Germany's artillery. For safety, ally with Spain and UK so you can have a better chance against Germany.

Poland: Do not try Poland, it dies before the first day ends.

Germany: Probably the most fun country but the hardest to get. You start with a large army and can have all of Poland and France by day 2. It is likely that you will be able to gain control of Europe in a few days if you play smart.

Japan: Kind of boring as it takes a long time to embark/disembark to Asia. You can either go for the Asia Netherlands and Australia, USA, or China. If you go for Australia, you will be able to defeat it but will be racing against USA's Philippines. Australia serves no strategic benefit so only go for it to get the oil and points. If you decide to fight USA, you will win at first, but USA's insane economy and manpower will eventually be able to push you back until you are forced to surrender.

USSR: Big country with low level units. You should ally with Germany and Japan so you can focus on southern Europe and Middle East. It is so big that it is boring to play as and your urban provinces are scattered. Best part about USSR is that a lot of people think you are a big threat to them even though they could easily defeat you.

Poland-Point-proof

Poland, me (Romania) and USSR in a coalition together link above.

Scrappy_ wrote:

USA: Safe start, ally with Canada, then build stacks of 2 LT + 3 Motorized Infantry. You are able to invade Mexico early on and make your way through Central America and eventually South America. Backstab Canada if you have the opportunity to do so. The AI's in Central America use Anti-Air + Anti-Tank + Militia stacks, so the normal LT Rush strategy won't work too well here.

Scrappy_ wrote:

Brazil: Same strategy as USA, but instead just invade Argentina who only has 4 urbans. Then you can take your time rolling over South America and make your way up to Central America where you can either ally with USA or go to war against him.

Do you have any strategy that doesn't involve backstabbing?

Scrappy_ wrote:

UK: Interesting playstyle as your urbans are scattered across the map. This can lead to you losing a lot of land due to AI's since it is hard to defend your colonies. You will find yourself fighting against Africa, Asia, and Europe all at once. I recommend avoiding UK unless you are skilled at the game and have experience with UK in other modes.

Scrappy_ wrote:

France: At the start of the game, you want to build up your fortifications near Belgium. If Germany chooses to invade you, he will likely go through Belgium. Also, build up artillery along the Maginot Line so you can overpower Germany's artillery. For safety, ally with Spain and UK so you can have a better chance against Germany.

Scrappy_ wrote:

Japan: Kind of boring as it takes a long time to embark/disembark to Asia. You can either go for the Asia Netherlands and Australia, USA, or China. If you go for Australia, you will be able to defeat it but will be racing against USA's Philippines. Australia serves no strategic benefit so only go for it to get the oil and points. If you decide to fight USA, you will win at first, but USA's insane economy and manpower will eventually be able to push you back until you are forced to surrender.

ok those are just my opinions lol

I kind of enjoy playing Tibet right now. OK, you only get 7 militia and an infantry for starting army, but you have 5 cities and you're not close to any of the superpowers so you can expand in relative peace early game, even though the terrain is very slow; but all those mountains will make India and China also think twice before attacking you early on. Since most players drop out anyway in the first week, you'll most likely find yourself alone on a map with countries like Turkey, Argentina, Spain and the like which start out a bit stronger, but you should have caught up with them by now, leading to an interesting scenario later on.

Can second Tibet; I did a pseudo-journal for a Pacifist Tibet game a few months ago, and it was honestly the most fun I've had in an Asia game in a long time. Most of the country is mountains and forest, meaning that the Pan-Asia Militia, Artillery, and AT are just plain OP.

With about a week of mixed infrastructure development, infantry/ordinance research, and careful Militia/AT/AA production, one can easily turn Tibet into a fortress and develop every resource province until mid-game, at which point you'll be more than a match for any early- to mid-game Asian country, especially any given one of your neighbors.

Cipher36 wrote:

Can second Tibet; I did a pseudo-journal for a Pacifist Tibet game a few months ago, and it was honestly the most fun I've had in an Asia game in a long time. Most of the country is mountains and forest, meaning that the Pan-Asia Militia, Artillery, and AT are just plain OP.

With about a week of mixed infrastructure development, infantry/ordinance research, and careful Militia/AT/AA production, one can easily turn Tibet into a fortress and develop every resource province until mid-game, at which point you'll be more than a match for any early- to mid-game Asian country, especially any given one of your neighbors.

British India: It has many cities,you just have to upgrade armies. It is a large country too. You just have to make more armies,and research tech.

Im very surprised that no one matioed turkey. geo position of the country is perfect. all neighbour countries can B tageted - turkey is obviously the strongest power n te area, and with good plan, step by step, it can exspending in middle east and on the balcans. can choose 2 build relatively small, but very efective naval strike force, which can B cruical in latter phase of game, when big bombs come into play.

the only weak spot is border with USSR, but those areas (only two provinces), R on he mountain terrain, and, if needed, defence can be concentrate, and make possible attack, if nothing else, make it extrimelly exspensive adventure

Japan is, in my opinion, strongest country in HWW map. If you know how to play navy and how to play pan asian doctrine, boom you are OP. Kill China erly, Manchucuo is like free territory, Duch Indonesia boom free wps, USA is no match for you eather. USSR is too mutch focused on europe soo you are good.

Just be active and know how to play pan asia and navy, you are winner on 1st day.

Suna232 wrote:

Japan is, in my opinion, strongest country in HWW map. If you know how to play navy and how to play pan asian doctrine, boom you are OP. Kill China erly, Manchucuo is like free territory, Duch Indonesia boom free wps, USA is no match for you eather. USSR is too mutch focused on europe soo you are good.

Just be active and know how to play pan asia and navy, you are winner on 1st day.

However, if you like the play the economic game Japan isn't the best choice. They require early expansion to feed their growth, otherwise the Soviets and US will eventually take them off the board. The United States is a great choice if you want to play the long game. United Kingdom and Germany are also great choices and can be very strong when played well. All of these countries will go first in just about every round of HWW. I find the Soviet Union to be the weakest of the majors.

For those of you saying Tibet and Turkey can't be serious. I mean, maybe it's fun, but a halfway competent player in any of the majors is going to ruin you by day 6.

Scrappy_ wrote:

USA: Safe start, ally with Canada, then build stacks of 2 LT + 3 Motorized Infantry. You are able to invade Mexico early on and make your way through Central America and eventually South America. Backstab Canada if you have the opportunity to do so. The AI's in Central America use Anti-Air + Anti-Tank + Militia stacks, so the normal LT Rush strategy won't work too well here

If you just wait a while and build up your economy, someone will start gobbling up VPs for you. Then you just bring your fresh, high-tech army, navy and air force to eat them. Maybe it's Germany, maybe it's Japan, maybe it's British India. It doesn't matter who, let them do the work then just sweep in and kill them. Did the US invade every neighbor in WWII? You're doing it wrong.

Spite_Is_Right wrote:

Suna232 wrote:

Japan is, in my opinion, strongest country in HWW map. If you know how to play navy and how to play pan asian doctrine, boom you are OP. Kill China erly, Manchucuo is like free territory, Duch Indonesia boom free wps, USA is no match for you eather. USSR is too mutch focused on europe soo you are good.

Just be active and know how to play pan asia and navy, you are winner on 1st day.

I second this, but I think they're far from OP. They start the game with a better navy than the US, but the US economy will even the score before long; just like in real life. I'd say they are the easiest to solo win with and probably just the best country overall for an aggressive, expansion type player.

However, if you like the play the economic game Japan isn't the best choice. They require early expansion to feed their growth, otherwise the Soviets and US will eventually take them off the board. The United States is a great choice if you want to play the long game. United Kingdom and Germany are also great choices and can be very strong when played well. All of these countries will go first in just about every round of HWW. I find the Soviet Union to be the weakest of the majors.

For those of you saying Tibet and Turkey can't be serious. I mean, maybe it's fun, but a halfway competent player in any of the majors is going to ruin you by day 6.

Spite_Is_Right wrote:

However, if you like the play the economic game Japan isn't the best choice

I honestly want to play a game as the USA just to try out the OP economy. I feel as if a Japan-USA-Germany alliance would win maps with ease.

whowh wrote:

Spite_Is_Right wrote:

However, if you like the play the economic game Japan isn't the best choice

Funny that you say this. you strike me as a highly ecoonomic player and your most recent playthrough was as japan.

I honestly want to play a game as the USA just to try out the OP economy. I feel as if a Japan-USA-Germany alliance would win maps with ease.

The US is just huge and has a ton of potential. People really don't realize how big the US really is industrially