Can I ask you guys for thoughts and opinions on the air force?

Rachellreist wrote:

I like strategic bombers

I always use them

But i use them a little when i actually need them, they are pretty decent.

Fox-Company wrote:

Rachellreist wrote:

I like strategic bombers

I always use them

I like how you just appear and say that, XD

But i use them a little when i actually need them, they are pretty decent.

I max me out all the time

Rachellreist wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Rachellreist wrote:

I like strategic bombers

I always use them

I like how you just appear and say that, XDBut i use them a little when i actually need them, they are pretty decent.

I agree

I max me out all the time

Fox-Company wrote:

Rachellreist wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Rachellreist wrote:

I like strategic bombers

I always use them

I like how you just appear and say that, XDBut i use them a little when i actually need them, they are pretty decent.

I agreeI max me out all the time

Ive seen Allied Doctrine full level Strats, my god, the range and structural damage could set you back days, weeks even, if not stopped.

In a HWW German game the US had huge stacks of Strat bombers that my interceptors could barely stop. They took out like 6 cities of mine with lv5 buildings. I managed to outsmart the US and take them out by nuking them while refueling or bombarding, and won the game, but it was pretty difficult. Nice Solo win though.

Now I would say that it should be take into consideration that interceptors have the weakness of having your airstrips destroyed by missiles or planes, and I have sacrificed tactical bombers to wipe out Air Forces before. Now you can win without having any Anti Air or planes but you have to either take out your enemies fast, or have an ally with such things. In one game with Fox I was the one who had the Air Force to damage units and hold back planes, while his spammed units and missiles wiped out air forces and snuck into backlines, winning that game.

So of course I would recommend getting air units since I am an Air Force simp, but perhaps there may be a strategy where you don’t need AA/Air units on large maps. Perhaps using missiles? Else wise it kinda goes down to luck and Allies.

Strategic bombers are a waste of time and resources. Any player worth his shit knows to keep AA in key cities, and SB are basically target practice for your ints. Not to mention how expensive they are.

jubjub bird wrote:

If I'm being honest, I think your confidence in your own skill far outweighs your actual skill level. Klusey is right on this, if you ignore anti-air entirely and still win it's because you're playing against bad players.

I'm assuming your user name in game is also "Fox-Company" and I don't think your record or stats prove what you think they prove

(Of course they helped too, but Spartan and Costawi didn't make Airforce like russian and Car do)

Fox-Company wrote:

jubjub bird wrote:

If I'm being honest, I think your confidence in your own skill far outweighs your actual skill level. Klusey is right on this, if you ignore anti-air entirely and still win it's because you're playing against bad players.

I'm assuming your user name in game is also "Fox-Company" and I don't think your record or stats prove what you think they prove

And actually i have witnesses to prove i do fight pretty damn good players, Kadeko, 1russianleft, Carking, The_Spartan_25, and Costawi have seen me steamroll what im guessing you would consider 'decent' since 'good' means stalking them every waking second to find out everything about them just to eval them and then see if they are good.

AT LEAST 3 OF THISE NAMES WERE IN THE TEAM UP ROUND I PLAYED IN!!!

Edit: actually 4 of them!!

Brando Dilla wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

jubjub bird wrote:

If I'm being honest, I think your confidence in your own skill far outweighs your actual skill level. Klusey is right on this, if you ignore anti-air entirely and still win it's because you're playing against bad players.

I'm assuming your user name in game is also "Fox-Company" and I don't think your record or stats prove what you think they prove

And actually i have witnesses to prove i do fight pretty damn good players, Kadeko, 1russianleft, Carking, The_Spartan_25, and Costawi have seen me steamroll what im guessing you would consider 'decent' since 'good' means stalking them every waking second to find out everything about them just to eval them and then see if they are good.

HEY WAIT A F*CKING MINUTE!!!

AT LEAST 3 OF THISE NAMES WERE IN THE TEAM UP ROUND I PLAYED IN!!!

Edit: actually 4 of them!!

Fox-Company wrote:

Brando Dilla wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

jubjub bird wrote:

If I'm being honest, I think your confidence in your own skill far outweighs your actual skill level. Klusey is right on this, if you ignore anti-air entirely and still win it's because you're playing against bad players.

I'm assuming your user name in game is also "Fox-Company" and I don't think your record or stats prove what you think they prove

And actually i have witnesses to prove i do fight pretty damn good players, Kadeko, 1russianleft, Carking, The_Spartan_25, and Costawi have seen me steamroll what im guessing you would consider 'decent' since 'good' means stalking them every waking second to find out everything about them just to eval them and then see if they are good.

HEY WAIT A F*CKING MINUTE!!!AT LEAST 3 OF THISE NAMES WERE IN THE TEAM UP ROUND I PLAYED IN!!!

Edit: actually 4 of them!!

Did you win or lose? if you lost you fought them XD

We won the round yesterday.

There are a few forum posters who often give advice I would personally consider less than helpful for a competitive game against good players. But most games played on CoW do not include any good players. All kinds of funny strategies work in those games. And even the most naive advice works in those games... which is most games... so it's difficult to say the advice is "wrong".

Brando Dilla wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

Brando Dilla wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

jubjub bird wrote:

If I'm being honest, I think your confidence in your own skill far outweighs your actual skill level. Klusey is right on this, if you ignore anti-air entirely and still win it's because you're playing against bad players.

I'm assuming your user name in game is also "Fox-Company" and I don't think your record or stats prove what you think they prove

And actually i have witnesses to prove i do fight pretty damn good players, Kadeko, 1russianleft, Carking, The_Spartan_25, and Costawi have seen me steamroll what im guessing you would consider 'decent' since 'good' means stalking them every waking second to find out everything about them just to eval them and then see if they are good.

HEY WAIT A F*CKING MINUTE!!!AT LEAST 3 OF THISE NAMES WERE IN THE TEAM UP ROUND I PLAYED IN!!!

Edit: actually 4 of them!!

Did you win or lose? if you lost you fought them XD

They were all on the same team as me (the red team)

We won the round yesterday.

So do you/they Wolfpack?

Fox-Company wrote:

And actually i have witnesses to prove i do fight pretty damn good players, Kadeko, 1russianleft, Carking, The_Spartan_25, and Costawi have seen me steamroll what im guessing you would consider 'decent' since 'good' means stalking them every waking second to find out everything about them just to eval them and then see if they are good.(Of course they helped too, but Spartan and Costawi didn't make Airforce like russian and Car do)

z00mz00m wrote:

There are a few forum posters who often give advice I would personally consider less than helpful for a competitive game against good players. But most games played on CoW do not include any good players. All kinds of funny strategies work in those games. And even the most naive advice works in those games... which is most games... so it's difficult to say the advice is "wrong".

Perhaps the new players should read them.

Brando Dilla wrote:

So do you/they Wolfpack?

Brando Dilla wrote:

So do you/they Wolfpack?

z00mz00m wrote:

There are a few forum posters who often give advice I would personally consider less than helpful for a competitive game against good players. But most games played on CoW do not include any good players. All kinds of funny strategies work in those games. And even the most naive advice works in those games... which is most games... so it's difficult to say the advice is "wrong".

"I've won 16 games without using planes" is a useless anecdote, and this individual's claims fall apart when you take even just a cursory look below the surface.

jubjub bird wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

There are a few forum posters who often give advice I would personally consider less than helpful for a competitive game against good players. But most games played on CoW do not include any good players. All kinds of funny strategies work in those games. And even the most naive advice works in those games... which is most games... so it's difficult to say the advice is "wrong".

Right. "Planes are not always required, and here are the situations in which you can win without planes" would be helpful, relevant information for new players.

"I've won 16 games without using planes" is a useless anecdote, and it falls apart when you take even just a cursory look below the surface.

jubjub bird wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

There are a few forum posters who often give advice I would personally consider less than helpful for a competitive game against good players. But most games played on CoW do not include any good players. All kinds of funny strategies work in those games. And even the most naive advice works in those games... which is most games... so it's difficult to say the advice is "wrong".

Right. "Planes are not always required, and here are the situations in which you can win without planes" would be helpful, relevant information for new players.

"I've won 16 games without using planes" is a useless anecdote, and this individual's claims fall apart when you take even just a cursory look below the surface.