I have now conquered the majority of north america. I am sitting at around 600 VPs. I am building only infastructure and industrial complexes on food tiles, and have been for a week. But my net food production is.... well below zero.
My army constitutes less than 25% of my food consumption.
My question is this: How is it possible to capture 3300 VPs to win this world map without being -3000 food / hour? It seems to me like the population's food consumption ratios need to be adjusted on this map. I know I am not the only one experiencing this.
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10 Dec 2015, 12:53 (edited)
That depends on your definition of a good empire. 62 units and 137 units are not enough to forge and defend a big empire.
I have to mention that wenn I had 600VP I had 300+food/hour (=7.2k daily) as Romania before maxing out on industrial complexes in my core. Now I break equall and I'm fullly maxed out of foodproduction in my core for some days. That 7.2k didn't go completely to my army that I made bigger, but most too upkeep of civillians.
I still stand by my point that the food concept needs some adjustments as the mathematical arguments proved (which is more worth than case reports, although they should lead to the same conclusion) it is damn hard to keep your food eco going in the positive direction. Moraal needs some attention too. Without conquering capitals on a frequent basis the edges of your empire(assuming you have the max moraal penalty of -39 from distance to the capital, a war or 2 going on and neighbouring provinces) will have moraal dropping to below 20%. If you reach a stalemate with 10 players left all will be suffering hard from moraal issues for days and with that comes food issues for sure.
Does anybody see it possible to make mechaniced infantery from like 4 active barracks (4 barracks is not much, but they do consume 1k food each daily. 4 barracks is enough to have a decent amount of mechaniced infantery after 1 week, still to slow for me thb.)?
10 Dec 2015, 14:26
Joneleth wrote:
So now Im currently at 800 provinces spanning just over half the world without building any IC on any food provinces except my core, and im still up plus 400 food a hour. Either people completly neglect to maintain their morale or improve their food provinces but I think i can pretty solidly confirm there is no food problem.
Put 1 pict here, and after i will trust you
+ 400/h food ? Yeah ... if you play with inactive i know ... you conquer 2-3 capitals and you have food ... but after 2-3 days ? When moral will go down ? What you make ???
532 provinces, and i have -380/h food ... and my average morale will drop more ...
And yes ... dont ask if baracks is off and construction IC and infr
10 Dec 2015, 14:29
BTW, yes... who want to win 100 players map need to play with Romania !!!
IF you play with Central Rusia or New Zeeland you will lose because this game is so awsome and you have 100% moral and your food prod is ....
And be sure, more than 1 wars at a time you dont need If 4 person declare war... your moral will drop more and more ... and you suc.s . What is the final conclusion ? Play with AI and attack just 1 AI at month... and you have food and army...
10 Dec 2015, 19:27
Oh sorry, Joneleth, someone did it where I was reading the thread and it stuck. I probably assumed he 'knew'
10 Dec 2015, 23:14
Catalin92 wrote:
Joneleth wrote:
So now Im currently at 800 provinces spanning just over half the world without building any IC on any food provinces except my core, and im still up plus 400 food a hour. Either people completly neglect to maintain their morale or improve their food provinces but I think i can pretty solidly confirm there is no food problem.
Put 1 pict here, and after i will trust you
+ 400/h food ? Yeah ... if you play with inactive i know ... you conquer 2-3 capitals and you have food ... but after 2-3 days ? When moral will go down ? What you make ???
532 provinces, and i have -380/h food ... and my average morale will drop more ...
And yes ... dont ask if baracks is off and construction IC and infr
In both games Ive entered massive wars in the last 24-36 hours so the values are less impressive now than before but still holding fairly strong.
This one is my small game where im only at 400 provinces, true in this game I can still kill AI nations here and there but im not really that spread out and my morale wont go much lower than it is now, even then I have nearly not done any upgrades to my food provinces except core and a few Infrastructure.
This is my large game where im at 800 provinces, im currently at war with 4 nations and 8 of my high morale developed food provinces got ravaged so my food production has fallen some 6k a day. Though in this game we are only 15 Nations left, its been over a week since I last took a capital and there has not been any AI nations for a long time.
And in neither of these games do i have a double food province.
11 Dec 2015, 00:06
As any disbelieving, disgruntled mismanager of a country, my first reaction would be:
HAXOR, CHEATER, PHOTOSHOPPED!
But since I am not, I can only say to those disbelievers: FFS, L2P this game!
11 Dec 2015, 00:53
Azkazan wrote:
That depends on your definition of a good empire. 62 units and 137 units are not enough to forge and defend a big empire.
Clearly it's big enough.
11 Dec 2015, 01:50 (edited)
oceanhawk wrote:
does anybody in this game even have over 500 rare materials on the world map right now?
658/hr (and growing) rare mats on 100 player map
11 Dec 2015, 02:15
_Pontus_ wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
does anybody in this game even have over 500 rare materials on the world map right now?
658 rare mats on 100 player map
Per hour? Im at 897 per hour
11 Dec 2015, 02:25
conclusion: there also is no rare mats problem
11 Dec 2015, 02:27
_Pontus_ wrote:
conclusion: there also is no rare mats problem
How could there ever be a rare problem, there is no upkeep. Its just more sought after on 100 player map before theres alot more provinces to build on.
11 Dec 2015, 02:28
_Pontus_ wrote:
Quote of the alternative manual by Czar Hellios (to be found in the thread where it is on the forum...go look for it
"I have observed that up to this date, the majority of players mismanage said resources, and complain on the forum of “Grain/Manpower is an issue. To high or too low. Worst of all of these, they mismanage time. "
Freely adapted to the situation:
"I have observed that up to this date, the majority of players mismanage their resources, and complain on the forum of “XYZ-resource is an issue". To high or too low. Worst of all of these, they mismanage time. "
11 Dec 2015, 09:08
Joneleth wrote:
So now Im currently at 800 provinces spanning just over half the world without building any IC on any food provinces except my core, and im still up plus 400 food a hour. Either people completly neglect to maintain their morale or improve their food provinces but I think i can pretty solidly confirm there is no food problem.
Really ? can you put 1 pic with your province and your build just on core prov on food ?
11 Dec 2015, 09:30
no! seems like you just want to collect pictures. now go do as everyone w/o food and rare mats problems says.
11 Dec 2015, 11:27 (edited)
1) Playing as Alberta. A comfortable positive food production. Dropped like 50 overnight mainly due too capturing 2 urban provinces. I have small stocks of everything,e xcept for food. Waitin for heavy tank research to be finished before spending. As you can see I have develloped some roads in non-core provinces that have descent moraal. I havn't conquered a capital in like 3 weeks, so moraal is stabilized. The rockets belong to my rocket shield to thin out enemy units if they invade near my core. Rockets don't have upkeep costs and you have to spend rares on something. My army doesn't consume that much, but expanding all into south america and Europe will for sure make me go negative in food production (moraal).
This world is fairly competitive, Last AI has been wiped out after 1 week of playing. Not being able to conquer capitals like crazy makes this world more diffecult.
501 VP 74% moraal average.
2) Romania. No competition. Lots of AI. My resource stock says it all. Yes I do spend in on rebuilding in certain provinces, so I can make armies in various places (tanks are damn slow if they have to go from Romania to Japan. Also notice I did develop infrastructure in non-core food producing provinces with reasonable moraal.
1205 VP and 72% average moraal. Lots of capitals have fallen to me.
11 Dec 2015, 12:19
Because you play against AI if you play with active players you dont have that prod food When remain only 10-15 active players and no capital to take . what you do ? your average moral will remain 80-90% ???
I play with North Ural , and in Africa continent i have moral stabe at 10-15 % .... what i need to make ? baracks to lvl 5 ?!?!?!?! How you can win this game with 75% of territory ??? If i go in america i think my moral will be -50% ...
11 Dec 2015, 12:31 (edited)
Catalin92 wrote:
Joneleth wrote:
So now Im currently at 800 provinces spanning just over half the world without building any IC on any food provinces except my core, and im still up plus 400 food a hour. Either people completly neglect to maintain their morale or improve their food provinces but I think i can pretty solidly confirm there is no food problem.
Really ? can you put 1 pic with your province and your build just on core prov on food ?
So much for you believing me if i posted 1 pic, i gave you 2 and now you want even more.
I am done trying to help you, if you want to just cry over your food and disbelieve anything to the contrary then be my guest. Ill continue winning meanwhile.
Now I managed to end 2 of the wars regain my lost provinces + 30-40 others and build 10-15 more infastructure in my food provinces, and yes I did capture a single capital but considering the hit i took earlier I only expect to lose about 100 food per hour in the next 3-4 days on that account.
11 Dec 2015, 16:56
Man ... i dont know more english ... but you are ...
Ok, i understand ... if you build you have food But... you dont win a game just with building With your prod i understand what a game you play. Full of AI and Inactive players. With that food consum for unit i understand you have around 150 units ... With 800 prov ... are you joking no ?
Btw ... for real wars you dont have food ... for play with AI and Inactive players ... yes ... you have food
Welcome to real world... If I was with you on the map ...
151k goods and you say all your game activity
11 Dec 2015, 17:06
Catalin92 wrote:
Man ... i dont know more english ... but you are ...
Ok, i understand ... if you build you have food But... you dont win a game just with building With your prod i understand what a game you play. Full of AI and Inactive players. With that food consum for unit i understand you have around 150 units ... With 800 prov ... are you joking no ?
Btw ... for real wars you dont have food ... for play with AI and Inactive players ... yes ... you have food
Welcome to real world... If I was with you on the map ...
151k goods and you say all your game activity
You do realise how insanely stupid you sound right? I was at 11-12k food consumption before the war, Armor/Air units use very little food, so try 250-400 Units, and if i fully developed all my food I could hold twice that.
I love how you just assume that all my games are just AI and Inactives because..? Well simply because im not experiencing the problems you are, I've killed way over 1000 units from active players in my 800 prov game. 186 in the last 48 hours alone.
and PS: yes i ahve 150k Goods, and 0 Metal Oil and Rares, because in late game (not that you would know) you dont need nearly as much goods as anything else.
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Yeah ... if you play with inactive i know ... you conquer 2-3 capitals and you have food ... but after 2-3 days ? When moral will go down ? What you make ???
