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WednesdayAddams wrote:

what are you talking about?

Kadeko wrote:

WednesdayAddams wrote:

what are you talking about?

I'm talking about destroyers and battleships?

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

lvl them up quick

By 'them' I meant the naval bombers

Good idea! NBs are essential for defending your coastline.

Can someone find that heavy tank meme I made... it's buried in here somewhere.

NVM, I found it

Carking the 6th wrote:

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

It's just that I use cruisers if my resources aren't enough for Battleships.

I started to use Nav bombers a little too much and now they're scattered everywhere....

I'm scared of using subs since it's pretty easy to be crushed and tricky as hell!

I need to have some backups behind subs just in case my enemy has some surprises in their...fleets....

Now, I almost never use subs, but maybe I'll use it if I feel it's needed to add some tensions and surprises...

I use battleships because they deal more damage at land units...if I'm not wrong....

But I don't just stack them without destroyers. I like to combine fleets if I have the opportunity and usually after I make a stack...I just sent it a little too far that I'm starting to feel a little annoyed by myself....so I just HAD to build a naval base quite...a lot...

Any tips...?

I'm not really experienced in naval battle, but I'm willing to learn more about it...

Really all you need are BB’s, CC’s, and DD’s, with more of the former two.

Carking the 6th wrote:

Really all you need are BB’s, CC’s, and DD’s, with more of the former two.

I guess simple doesn't mean weak!

Carriers with naval bombers and other hand planes can be used, but you need experience for that.

Carking the 6th wrote:

Kadeko wrote:

K.Rokossovski wrote:

Militia are one of the units I find myself using in almost every game on the 100p map, no matter the doctrine. The other ones are:

arty (seldom research these after L2-3 though)

AC (all game long)

tacs (start building around day 4-6)

ints (depends on enemy air)

NB's (depends on enemy air)

RA (rarely to L2 though; tacs more or less replace them)

And since you're asking, how do I deal with armor later in the game, that's very situational, and can be anything from simple AT to advanced attack bombers. Same goes for navy.

Destroyers and Nav bombers are a must-go when dealing with enemies from the other side of the sea.

You don’t really need destroyers unless you know for a fact that your enemy uses subs. The best idea is to only build and upgrade a few in order to spot an enemy, keeping a minimum of destroyers just in case you face a submarine player. Otherwise all they really do is add some health to your stacks and maybe a little melee damage. You could argue that they can catch convoys, but convoys are almost always slower than ships and can be caught by them as well, especially cruisers.

Carking the 6th wrote:

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

NBs

Carriers

Ints (counting them for dmg against NBs)

Perhaps subs early/mid game

Battleships can be argued for due to bombardment, but since your making carriers anyways, tacs are better.

_Pyth0n_ wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

Cruisers are useless. Only good naval related units are:

NBs

Carriers

Ints (counting them for dmg against NBs)

Perhaps subs early/mid game

Battleships can be argued for due to bombardment, but since your making carriers anyways, tacs are better.

Carking the 6th wrote:

_Pyth0n_ wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

Cruisers are useless. Only good naval related units are:NBs

Carriers

Ints (counting them for dmg against NBs)

Perhaps subs early/mid game

Battleships can be argued for due to bombardment, but since your making carriers anyways, tacs are better.

That may be the worst take I have ever seen from you… a player using their own naval bombers and interceptors would be very happy to meet you, though. Especially when their cruisers can stave off your planes.

In fact, I got beaten up sometimes with cruisers and it's not a good thing to even remember of...

All naval units are great if we use them at the right time and in the right way.

Carking the 6th wrote:

_Pyth0n_ wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

What about cruisers? Naval bombers are infinitely more useful than submarines and cruiser actually deal damage. They are way better, INHO.

Cruisers are useless. Only good naval related units are:NBs

Carriers

Ints (counting them for dmg against NBs)

Perhaps subs early/mid game

Battleships can be argued for due to bombardment, but since your making carriers anyways, tacs are better.

That may be the worst take I have ever seen from you… a player using their own naval bombers and interceptors would be very happy to meet you, though. Especially when their cruisers can stave off your planes.

1 CC does 6 dmg against air with 35 HP

1 NB does 7 dmg against ships with 20 HP

Sounds like a clear win for the cruisers, right?

Total rss for CC: 630 + 950 + 630 = 2210

Total rss for NB: 500 + 500 + 760 = 1760

1 NB is 79% the cost of 1 CC

But you're gonna say "what about carrier cost?" Of course, how could I forget? (sarcasm intended)

Think about it like this: a cruiser is only capable of dealing air dmg. Its naval damage isn't noteworthy (4, if you really wanted to know) and definitely is jackshit against ground units. If you were to spam cruisers, to what avail? NBs research faster than CCs and are wayyy more multipurpose: they sink anything that floats (convoy hunting, sub hunting, killing stray BBs and even being able to kill fleets). And not to mention, if cruisers are than much of a problem, then I've got your answer: subs. Either way, they will need to be produced early game to kill surface threats, and are much cheaper than cruisers 1:1. If you're worried about CC + DD spam, don't fret; you'll have enough flexibility to produce NBs to counter the threat. Not to mention how flexible carriers are: they can essentially do whatever you want, aerial supremacy with ints, ground interdiction with tacs/ABs, naval dominance with NBs or a mix of all. One CV level 3 carries 6(!) planes; 3 CV is enough for a 6/6/6 stack for fighting ground battles and a 8/10 int/NB stack for fighting naval battles (but obv you need more)

I'd explain more but don't have the time, in the meantime General K made an amazing post about the usefulness of CVs, it's what changed my mind and essentially won me an ACAI (ask Sam, he prolly wasn't paying too much attention to my battles but I sunk all of the ships of one of the top global players using this strat as US; not naming him for now for his dignity)

Where are ze memes?