I'm thinking about invading Sweden, but I'm not sure.

I'm planning on invading Sweden in a small, 6-player server running the Europe scenario with balanced countries.

Currently the game is around day 10-11, I can't remember for sure.

I'm playing as Poland. Sweden, to my north, has gone quite aggressive and expansionist recently but he's taking quite a bit of time invading Finland, which gives me the impression that he's using slow units. (Also, ignore the fact that I kind of went aggro and expansionist first.)

I'm running with the following units:

-Milita-about 6-7, level 2. I didn't really make many.

-Infantry-about 13-14, level 2. I have recently run into problems with food production (too many infantry/milita/food-costly provinces/barracks) so I've cut back, disabled some barracks, and tried to make less infantry than I used to, as well as making an invasion of Ukraine for food, but I'm still running ~50 food per hour.

-Anti-tank-about 2, level 1. One of them's placed on a shore close to Sweden, just in case they invade, and the other one is in Denmark (which I recently took over to place airbases closer to Sweden). Both I plan on keeping as a defense in case the invasion goes awry.

-Anti-air-about 2-3, level 1. I also intend to keep them as a defensive unit due to their slow speed.

-Artil-about 3, level 1. I'm thinking of holding them back for now, then sending them up once I secure an initial safe landing area to bombard stuff. The landings are going to be in cities close to my coast, and artil won't really handle close range well.

-Armored cars-about 7, level 1. I'm mostly phasing these things out of service but they might have a few more useful days left. I'm using them as a reserve in case something goes awry with my tanks. One of them is in Albania (I decided to make it a long-range colony) and is thus essentially of no use. There's also one left in Ukraine as a local garrison, and transporting it would take too long. The rest are all clustered in Danzig and Hamburg.

-Light tanks-at least 15, level 2. Because of food shortages, these have basically become my new infantry (no really). I also have at least two in production and set to come out tomorrow. In the cities it might get hairy, but once I'm on the plains it'll be easy work.

-Destroyers-7, level 2. Two of them are held near Turkey and Egypt by request of my ally Caucasus (who has no navy but a killer swarm of bombers, which I requested the assistance of for my invasion). The rest are sitting around near my coast. I plan to line them up so I'll have a safe route for my convoys (pretty sure Sweden doesn't have navy though). Two more are rolling out in two days.

-Cruisers-2, level 1. They're sitting with the destroyers and I plan to use them to bombard cities. I also have one more rolling out tomorrow.

-Interceptors-around 6, level 2. I'm thinking of using them to patrol and make sure nothing happens to my convoys. Three more are rolling out tomorrow.

-Tactical bombers-2, level 1. I realize that I should have made more, in the face of the 4+ bombers that Sweden has.

-Strategic bombers-0, level 1. I'm making one but it'll take me quite a long time. And Sweden already has at least one.

-Naval bombers-1, level 1. Probably gunna use it to look out for submarines (if there are any, i doubt it).

-Rocket-2, level 1. This will be my first unit to strike, hopefully I'll hit an AT or AA gun somewhere. Or maybe his planes. Would be so useful if that happened.

My current economics:

Food: 3,000, 50ph (yea, I need to work on this)

Goods: 28,000, 800ph (eh, I'm gud)

Metal: 16,000, 600 ph (I'll be gud in a while)

Rare: 2,200, 223 ph (regularly dependent on markets to research things)

Money: 8,000, 3,500 ph (news flash: Prime minister of glorious Polska is living in cardboard boxes!) (I'll be good in a while, but I spend money too fast, and I buy food and rares.)

I control Poland, Germany, Denmark, Lithuania, Latavia, Estonia, and 75% of Ukraine (my ally Caucasus has the other 25%), as well as having a joke "colony" Albania.

Sweden's army is pretty slow-moving but powerful, as far as I can tell. He's taken a solid 4 days and still hasn't conquered half of Finland, but his casualty rates are amazing-he runs on a 6 kills, 1 death ratio, whereas I run on a 4:1 or a 3:1 (my worst was in Albania, amazingly-I underestimated the strength of a single infantry regiment).

His research a few days ago, according to the paper, was 7% (I was reported as 8%), so we have pretty much similar tech. I don't think he has rockets or any navy at all, but he has better bombers, whereas I still have an advantage in fighter tech.

He probably also has medium tanks, potentially a problem, but I can swarm him with light tanks and maybe win.

His cities tend to have higher-leveled production facilities, which means he can churn out units and resources faster than I do. However, they're located near the coast, so if I can get my cruisers in a good position, I might be able to hit them pretty badly before they churn out too many units. The rockets I have might also help.

Based on the speed of his army, it's likely he has plenty of artil, AA, or AT units (a problem to my fighters and tanks), and since I have too many ships for him to not see, I assume he's already working on a plan to repel an invasion.

Finally, his economy is among the top three in the server, whereas my rampant expansion has left me lacking in some areas.

Sweden, according to my spy, has no allies, which puts me at a huge advantage. The only countries he can still ally with are Egypt (too far away, and I have a small naval presence there by request of my ally) and Algeria (inactive, and too far away). My ally Caucasus, although he draws from me a small chunk of my time and navy, at least has a strong enough control over the region to allow me to leave part of my border exposed without fear. Soviet is cowering in fear and pays me daily amounts of resources to pacify me. And the two American countries, although officially only allied with each other, have told me in private communication that they will not intervene in favor of Sweden (I think they want to colonize him too). Caucasus is potentially useful-he has five tactical bombers in used but fairly healthy condition that he might be able to use to assist me (I helped him with preventing an Egyptian invasion, so he's in my debt).

To conclude:

+ I have a faster attack strategy

+ I control the sea between me and Sweden

+ I probably have a tiny edge in technology

+ I have a higher cash inflow

+ I have allies I can call on

+ Clear interceptor advantage might be able to deter bombers

+ Repeated conquest chains give me a large array of cities to make lots of tanks

+ Sweden is already occupied with trying to take over Finland (slowly)

-Sweden has a slower but more powerful army

-Sweden probably is already at work on defense anyway

-Sweden has more resources in stock

-Sweden has faster unit production

-If I turn out wrong and Sweden has fast-attack units garrisoned, he might be able to hold me off until his slow defensive units arrive

-Sweden is a better money-wise person than I am

-I'm still busy with trying to make sure my ally Caucasus doesn't die from naval bombardment by Egypt (blockades are OP)

-I have a lack of bombers and mine aren't at his level.

Help me decide, guys.

Also, very sorry for the longest post you ever saw and will ever see in your life.

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Just a few things. Armoured cars and artillery are pretty much useless, so don't make more of them (unless you want to deathball artillery which can work).

Because you have access to light tank lvl 2, I assume you can get medium tanks. Build medium tanks because they are an incredibly strong unit.

To fix your food problem get level 3 infrastructure in all food provinces and then upgrade factories in those provinces.

Anti air cancels your opponents planes. Anti tank guns defend front line provinces against tanks easily.

Jonhydude wrote:

Just a few things. Armoured cars and artillery are pretty much useless, so don't make more of them (unless you want to deathball artillery which can work).

Because you have access to light tank lvl 2, I assume you can get medium tanks. Build medium tanks because they are an incredibly strong unit.

To fix your food problem get level 3 infrastructure in all food provinces and then upgrade factories in those provinces.

Anti air cancels your opponents planes. Anti tank guns defend front line provinces against tanks easily.

Not entirely true. Armored cars are useful for stealing undefended provinces early. Artillery is very useful in specific situations and moderately useful in standard situations, it just need to be properly protected and used. Medium tanks are stronger than light ones, but good strategies fight them without direct land contact, so their strength against other land units often doesn't get utilized to pay for their cost. Anti air helps against enemy planes, but is far from being adequate replacement for your own planes. Antitank can defend relatively good against tanks if enemy doesn't support them with planes or artillery or just plays very bad. In other cases, antitank is not better unit than light tank, it is just cheaper. About food, that was a good advice if you meant all core provinces, also, forts are needed if morale is less than 100%, too. Upgrading non core provinces is worth only in specific cases, like double food, near your capital or otherwise high morale. Also, buying food early is very important.

Good luck against Sweden.

The past is a foreign country.

Well, I considered your guys' advice, and I decided to conduct the invasion. I landed little "landing parties" of 5 light tanks and 2 infantry onto each of Sweden's southern manufacturing cities (to cripple his ability to produce units able to stop me, especially AA, AT, or tanks of his own). I also fired a few rockets into his known major airbases and managed to kill off a few bombers before they scrambled. Once he scrambled them I took some pretty big losses with my tanks, but they pretty much became useless after I stupidly rush-charged their airbases with armored cars and captured the airbase while they were flying elsewhere or while they were refueling and unable to defend.

As of right now I think he only has 1-2 tactical bombers left, and maybe 1-2 interceptors. He's taken heavy infantry losses, but I've taken more armor losses than he has. I've also killed off his navy (turned out he DID have a navy-it was a single pitiful destroyer) by swarming it with subs, cruisers, destroyers, and my naval bombers. I have two major "supply routes" that are essentially watched at all times and are, well, 99.99% safe. A few extra bombing runs and cruiser-shore raids have disabled the production in the few cities he still has. Most of his northern provinces are relatively slow to produce units and I think I can just force my way through.

Right now, I control the southern tip, extending up until Stockholm (I pretty much cleared out that city via cruiser, so all I need to do is land a little infantry garrison and call it a day). I've also damaged the few naval bases he's captured from Finland (NPC). He's currently still occupied with Finland as well and I suspect he'll draw all his forces that way and hope he can invade and conquer fast enough there to escape my onslaught.

My only major problem is that I'm running out of manpower. I spent too much making infantry and tanks, I guess. My existing forces, however, should be able to hold. Sweden, at first, attempted to surprise me by landing a light tank division on a coast far away, but I figured that would be a problem and I had a few strategically placed subs take out the transport while it was unloading.

Status as of right now:

Sweden deaths: 3,957

Poland (my) deaths: 3,593 (most were incurred after I landed and found more bombers than I had planned for, spent a few tense hours moving planes and AA guns)

Hours: 14

Land conquered: All provinces south of Stockholm

Another recent update:

It's been almost a full day since I declared war. I'm pushing northward at a moderate pace and right now, I do have one or two provinces north of Stockholm.

Sweden's managed to pull out more bombers than I expected and I'm making more hurried maneuvers with my AA. My interceptors are pretty worn out from fighting his first set of bombers and I'm trying to let them regain a bit of morale by easing back on the rate of attack and the number that are sent on patrol.

Sweden's also managed to pull off a couple of air raids that are kind of damaging.

According to the casualties list, I'm now losing, but I still have more troops, more land, and a lot more morale-his average is already dropping down to 28%, with some running at 5%. His highest is running around 70%. Perhaps I can entice the provinces he captured in Finland to rebel, and then I won't have so much to worry about.

I'm pretty sure that most of his ground forces are dead. He's begun using single militia and infantry regiments to defend against raids, so either he has no more armor, or he's trying to move them over from Finland via a land route.

Status as of right now:

Sweden deaths: 8,185 (There was a large slowdown for a while, but their rate is accelerating again, so I might break even with him soon)

Poland (my) deaths: 13,247 (a good chunk were spent when he had more bombers than I expected, as usual)

Hours: IDK, almost a full day.

Land conquered: All provinces south of Stockholm, a few provinces north

Well, if he has few land forces, you've betaen him.

The past is a foreign country.

Yet another update...I wonder if you guys even are interested in how it's going, but I feel honorbound to do this, since I asked for your advice anyway.

The war is not going as smoothly as I hoped, but I'm still doing a good job. I'm taking a good chunk of casualties at this point, but planes can't capture provinces-but tanks can. And AA guns can. I think I did a good job with spam-producing AA guns. I've hidden them among my tanks. He never knows if what he's hitting is a bunch of tanks or a tank with three AA batteries. Also, my cruisers have done a hell of a job blasting his shoreline to bits.

Noteworthy achievements for Sweden though: Lowest province Morale Ever Seen (2%-why haven't they rebelled yet?) and a personal award for himself: First Kill Ever against a Polish Navy Ship (I slapped two destroyers, level 2, in front of one of his only two remaining docks. The destroyers did a solid spawncamp operation against his level 1 destroyers as they came out of the factory. One of them just died from taking too much damage over too long. I still have the other one, though, and a large swarm back at my own port, so I'm not too worried about him sinking my convoys yet.)

I also deserve the achievements of Best Random Sneak Attack Ever (I landed a single militia regiment at 20% morale onto his north, as a joke. He promptly sent a few tanks over, but I proved a point: his land forces are spread thin, and he has to neglect certain borders.) and Worst Use of a Naval Bomber (I used it to fight an interceptor squadron. Needless to say, the bombers are now sitting at home with 5% morale).

Status as of right now:

Sweden deaths: 12,409 (most were incurred as I ran over his militia with light tanks and blasted them to bits with cruisers)

Poland deaths: 15,003 (most were caused by him repeatedly trying to bomb my tanks into submission. He's done very well, but I have just too many tanks for him to stop it. I think I'm playing Soviet at this point-charge, and if that fails, charge it with even more stuff)

Hours: At least a full day, maybe 1 day, 6 hours? Hard to tell.

Land: Everything south of Lillehammer is mine. Except for his bases in Finland. Which I'm planning to storm with a bunch of tanks. As usual.

Attached is a quick screenshot of progress as of 11:49 EST, June 21.

I'm definitely taking more casualties than he is. Mostly it's because at this point I can afford to keep sending things, and part of it is also because he's making a desperate move to concentrate everything he has in three provinces.

I've conquered pretty much half of his empire, and only one core province is still his (although, judging by my intel, he probably left it undefended-maybe he's already given up on holding the front there and is relocating to Finland?).

His giant stack of ten bombers has provided plenty of annoyance for my interceptors, because, as it turns out, tactical bombers seem to be good at defending against fighters. However, I think my industry's keeping up with my losses, and as a result I'm not losing that much. Whereas Sweden's lost his most productive provinces (his cores) and he's relying on captured territory, which won't give him as much. Which means that his industry is pretty much struggling to keep up. I'm drawing resources from Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Latavia, Lithuania, and half of Ukraine-as well as Albania, my "colony", and my own Poland-and I still have a pretty big problem with food and the rate of oil production (152ph is too slow for me!), but my goods are somewhere around 1000ph and my metal is 700ph. Also considering that my rare materials is 250ph and I think I've got a pretty good supply chain in my favor.

My own provinces are starting to drop in morale (I've seen my first 80% in Germany ever since I took them all over) but I still have an average of around 83%. Sweden had a temporary upspike for some reason (maybe he used gold?) but it's dropping again and hovers around 33%, with some provinces hovering closer to 10%. At some point I'll have to run into his garrisons designed to defend against rebels, but for now his army's stretched thin and busy holding up rebels, and I'm having fun sending armored cars at his undefended, relatively happy provinces (50%, his last core is 77%).

Status:

Sweden deaths: 19,572 (mostly as a result of me sinking ships, killing infantry, etc.)

Poland deaths: 25,482 (mostly as a result of my various attempts to take out his huge bomber swarm and a bad invasion where I assumed he only had a garrison of 2 infantry divisions in a certain province - and that intel was old and bad)

Hours: about 2 days now.

Land: I own pretty much all of Sweden's core now, Sweden's relocating to Finland I think.Forum attachment

Status update: you've won.

The past is a foreign country.

Yet another update: IDK why I'm still doing this but I guess it's all worth.Forum attachment

The current tactical situation. A few minutes later I killed the artil gun shooting at Finland's last province, so although Finland is an NPC, if he were a player he'd be showering me with gifts of money by now.

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Down in where Finland's south coast used to be, we're having a pretty big and complicated fight. NPC Finland helps me make sure Sweden doesn't try to convoy is way out of it (although my ships already guarantee that. Thanks for some useless help, Finland!). Note that huge stack of 13, including tanks, armored cars, and AA. That thing's gunna be a toughie to tackle head on without taking heavy losses. For now I'm moving as much artil as I have and firing away.

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In huge contrast to Finland's south coast, Norway and Sweden look like he's giving them to me for free. Literally a knife cutting through cheese. Not even his last naval base was defended-he straight up abandoned that thing.

Hmm...wonder how that stack in south Finland got so big...

Stats:

Sweden deaths: 24,110 (mostly me killing his militia by running them over with tanks. Seriously, he's probably just abandoning land at this point)

Poland deaths: 28,910 (I've still got more deaths than Sweden due to a huge garrison that used to be in a single province, but I've dealt with it and I'm closing up the gap again.)

Hours: 2.5 days?

Land: I am do the ruling of Sweden nao. Silly Sweden is do the run run into a corner and hide.

I may be too late for any real advice, but here I go anyway.

As of your previous post, you seem to have the advantage right now. But the only problem I see with your strategy is you are invading through the sea. This can be very dangerous if he decides to have a strong coastal defence– I've seen one infantry unit positioned right on the coast destroy maybe 30 units before dying finally. (Of course, it was my ally who got his butt kicked, so I had to save him...)

So, my suggestion would be to use your quick and mobile units to capture Murmansk and that rare- materials- producing province right next to it quickly so as to deprive him of any further supplies for research. Then, march down former Finland over land (and very rarely, maybe a convoy or two once you've conquered the coastal province) and take the rest. But I would implore that you keep those small fighting units in southern Finland, so long as you can group them up in a city.

I am a big supporter in naval invasions if they're done right. Unfortunately, it seems to me you are not doing it as efficiently as I usually do. That's fine if you can land in Helsinki before reinforcements can arrive, but if those reinforcements arrive, your mission is in jeopardy.

Granted, you could also tactically withdraw from southern Finland altogether and use those surplus units you just freed up to land a little farther north in Finland and order them to march down with your tanks. Then you can hold the Swedish forces in Finland to Finland because of your naval and air superiority... That's another way.

You kickin' ass.

The past is a foreign country.

First off, shoutout to purplepizza. The advice was way too late, but it should be helpful in my invasion of Egypt (another mortal enemy of my ally Caucasus-they've been holding at stalemate for almost 5 days, and it's about time I came to rescue him). When I invaded Sweden, I didn't really have much naval organization yet-he was just expanding too fast for me to ignore. It might have not been efficient, but a win's a win.

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Here's the situation. Really, at this point I've won-there's a few little stacks lying around where I assume he's trying to do some epic Stalingrad stuff. Of course, once I reach the next day and all these fresh-conquered provinces get enough morale to not rebel, I can shift everything over and finish up this war. Which, honestly, has begun to get tiring. Navigation in Finland is apparently messy, and this guy just simply refuses to die quickly.

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His huge stack of AA and armor (more than 10 total) has been pretty watered down. I took a massive gamble and sent off a huge emergency stack of bombers and interceptors (20 in total) after his stack, and even though his AA got a good chunk of them, I still have 15 planes, and he has no more AA. All he's got left in there is 2 tanks and 2 armored cars, which my massive stack of tanks, AT, AA, and infantry should be able to take care of. That stack lasted for two days or something under naval and artil fire, they deserve a medal.

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Finland...is not yet lost! People in Finland now praise me as their savior. When I first came here there was some artil blasting this town to bits. Thanks to me, they're alive. Although I'm pretty sure they'll starve, rebel, and join me in a few days, given the fact that they don't have food production. Oh well, it's not my problem that they're starving. Let them eat the wood that they use to make crates of goods.

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Newspaper clippings C:...apparently I'm now on a conquest streak.

Stats:

Sweden deaths: 41,014 (yay airplane swarms!)

Poland deaths: 38,774 (doing a lot better now, given the fact that at some point i had 7k more deaths than Sweden.)

Hours: I'm not really keeping track anymore.

Land: Almost everything that Sweden had, with pockets of resistance in the very eastern fringes.

Sweden morale: 26% average, with a low of 9% and a high of 34%.

Poland morale: 89% average, with a low of 22% (Helsinki got bombarded pretty bad by his artil before they got bombed to submission) and a high of 100% (WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO POLSKA PRIDE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!).

By my estimates, I'll have victory by tomorrow. Sweden's day's aren't numbered-his hours are.

omnisxiii2 wrote:

Oh well, it's not my problem that they're starving. Let them eat the wood that they use to make crates of goods.
LOL

omnisxiii2 wrote:

First off, shoutout to purplepizza. The advice was way too late, but it should be helpful in my invasion of Egypt (another mortal enemy of my ally Caucasus-they've been holding at stalemate for almost 5 days, and it's about time I came to rescue him). When I invaded Sweden, I didn't really have much naval organization yet-he was just expanding too fast for me to ignore. It might have not been efficient, but a win's a win.
No problem man! That's what the Forum is here for, to discuss these kind of things. I really hope it helps. :D

I think I'll use the forums next time I need help...

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton

Forgot to post recently...

Sweden died a long time ago.

End of story.

On the other hand, Northern States is starting to go a little bit anti-Poland diplomatically. I don't trust this "ally"...maybe I'll have to invade him soon...

omnisxiii2 wrote:

Forgot to post recently...

Sweden died a long time ago.

End of story.

On the other hand, Northern States is starting to go a little bit anti-Poland diplomatically. I don't trust this "ally"...maybe I'll have to invade him soon...

You'll need to...

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