???)?Marshal Chukov: Cuz my country is busy making a atomic power station.
Hornetkeeper: So, we have to forget certain truths and adopt new ones to survive, we can't know all the truth, just the part of it that's currently relevant
Ahmad_Thakur: we never found the truth really
Hornetkeeper: and, the truth is just something our consciousness thinks up
ERWIN_ROMMEL997: we never will?
ERWIN_ROMMEL997: programmed
Ahmad_Thakur: i dont think so
Hornetkeeper: You can't even say what a cup is truthfully, it's a complex thing, tons of atoms and even smaller particles
Ahmad_Thakur: theres someone knowing all the truth and limiting our capacity to know the truth
Hornetkeeper: However, you know how to use a cup, and that's the functional truth - like a simplification - which actually navigates you through the world
Hornetkeeper: you cathegorize the complex world into things, according to its relation to you. If sth is useful, youu define it as a thing and stop bothering about the details
Ahmad_Thakur: hornet functional truth is something we have been taught
Hornetkeeper: Even the taxonomy is a lie, there's no such thing as a species
Hornetkeeper: But there's groups of objects we thought up that are called animals, and we group them into Kingdom Animalia because they happen to share certain features
Hornetkeeper: So it's easier to understand for us when they're divided taxonomically like that
Ahmad_Thakur: well they are categorized arent they?
ERWIN_ROMMEL997: what's the best way to gain knowledge?
Hornetkeeper: exactly, and cathegorizations are simpler than the truth
Hornetkeeper: so they mostly work, but not always
Ahmad_Thakur: they are categorized in nature
Hornetkeeper: and the ultimate truth is just too complex, so we simplify it and abstract the parts of it that we need
Ahmad_Thakur: who made them...categorized them
Hornetkeeper: thats my point
Ahmad_Thakur: exactly exactly
Hornetkeeper: People cathegorized them, because if they didn't, the things around them would be so complex they couldn't even get up from bed
Ahmad_Thakur: the truth is beyond human reach
user13872600: No
choppa XIV: hi
Hornetkeeper: You don't get up from bed by ordering each of your 30 trillion cells to move
Alphonse de Solis: bruh lmao my enemy has been sieging my city for more than 5 hours already
Hornetkeeper: You simplify it into a function, which automatically does it for you every time
user13872600: Then why don't you destroy his siege
Ahmad_Thakur: you mean people simplified it??
Hornetkeeper: just like you simplify all the atoms outside into objects that are used for the same thing each time
Hornetkeeper: yeah, if people didn't realize that specks of dust weren't dangerous, they'd never achieve anything
Hornetkeeper: Only when they realized that and started ignoring specks of dust, it worked
user13872600: ?
Hornetkeeper: and ignoring specks of dust = ignoring a certain part of the truth because it's not valuable atm
user13872600: Whats your point
Ahmad_Thakur: another example plz
Marshal Chukov: Ahead wats ur country.
Hornetkeeper: oh yeah. Why do you think your eyes concentrate on one place?
Ahmad_Thakur: they are made this way
Ahmad_Thakur: we dont know why
Hornetkeeper: haha, you can answer that from many perspectives, layers of analysis
Ahmad_Thakur: ok but
Hornetkeeper: But here's a reasonable claim: You need to concentrate on important things to be able to process them
Marshal Chukov: Why are you ignoring me
Hornetkeeper: If you focused on everything at once you'd overheat, so you focus on one thing
Ahmad_Thakur: can anybody answer why you cant focus on right while looking to the left?
Hornetkeeper: That means you simplify the truth, you only pay attention to what's relevant
shinyoochan: what does technician grade mean?
Alphonse de Solis: I'm defending that's why, attacking is not a good idea. I deal more damage when defending
Hornetkeeper: those are ranks, you gain them as you kill active players' units and build buildings
Alphonse de Solis: My enemy kept sending more to their infantry to their deaths
Ahmad_Thakur: why we overheat?why cant we just process more?
Alphonse de Solis: More of*
Ahmad_Thakur: cuz we are made this way and limited
Hornetkeeper: Ahmad, because we couldn't evolve into more sophisticated creatures in such a short time
Alphonse de Solis: Why are you answering yourself?
Hornetkeeper: We have fractal genes for example, which say sth like: the ratio length to width of a tracheis segment is always 5:1 regardless of scale
Hornetkeeper: But, the ideal ratio is a bit different for each scale
Ahmad_Thakur: but we evolved into this from a prokaryote in just 4 billion years?
Ahmad_Thakur: impossible
Hornetkeeper: lol tracheids are for plants, how did I confuse that
Hide_Your_Capital: Return to Monke
Hornetkeeper: yes Ahmad, because the world is analogical, there's a lot of principles that apply to different things
Ahmad_Thakur: ok ok listen bud i have a question then
Hornetkeeper: for example, the Investment Continuity principle: if you put effort into something, get to a resultt, it's better for you to exploit the result in your future activities and expand it than start doing sth else
Ahmad_Thakur: why do prokaryotes still exist in the same environment and same conditions?
Hornetkeeper: you follow an effort with a result by making another effort that makes use of the result
Hornetkeeper: that's an Analogical Principle that applies to very many things
Hornetkeeper: Prokaryotes are simple, so they don't create enough complexity for themselves
Hornetkeeper: we're advanced, so we need to do a lot of extra things to survive
Hide_Your_Capital: Well Ahmed did you know that flowering plants started existing only after the dinosaurs died
Hornetkeeper: That means our relation with the environment is way more complex than that of prokaryotes
Ahmad_Thakur: lol what cap
Hornetkeeper: Prokaryotes can survive so many things because their simple body has so few needs and hence can adapt to almost impossible conditions
