here is a small poll for you. Which of these two generals do you know or even like better?
George S. Patton, US Army general
or
Bernard Montgomery, Field Marshal of the British Army
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30 Jun 2016, 19:51
Quasi-duck wrote:
the public enemy wrote:
Ordo66 wrote:
+ Rommel
Agree, he was the best one but unfortunely he is not in the poll
Zhukov was the best. Every/nearly every major Soviet victory in WWII was planned and overseen by Zhukov. If there was a situation, Stalin called him in.
He was the best Soviet General by far, he had guts, the rest of the generals just sucked up to Stalin, Zhukov played it strong
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
30 Jun 2016, 19:53
Quasi-duck wrote:
Zhukov was the best. Every/nearly every major Soviet victory in WWII was planned and overseen by Zhukov. If there was a situation, Stalin called him in.
I was thinking a similar thing. Based on how the soviet army did without Zhukov and how those same armies did with Zhukov, one would have to consider the improvement. Zhukov for sure made a tremendous difference when he was in charge.
30 Jun 2016, 19:55
oceanhawk wrote:
He was the best Soviet General by far, he had guts, the rest of the generals just sucked up to Stalin, Zhukov played it strong
Yeah, he sure was great. Remember that time he beat Manstein at Kursk? What a guy!
30 Jun 2016, 19:58
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
He was the best Soviet General by far, he had guts, the rest of the generals just sucked up to Stalin, Zhukov played it strong
Yeah, he sure was great. Remember that time he beat Manstein at Kursk? What a guy!
There more to that, but I cant deny it he a good commander, but Rommel, Manstein and Guirden
just to add Manstein strongly pushed for an immediate pincer offensive while the Soviets were still recovering from Kharkov. Most of OKH supported Manstein's proposal, but Hitler did not in an uncharacteristic bit of hesitation. Today, most experts agree that an immediate offensive at Kursk would have caught the Soviets with the pants down and resulted in a major German victory.
So again, Hitler being the soviets and Allies best weapon
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
30 Jun 2016, 20:02
oceanhawk wrote:
There more to that, but I cant deny it he a good commander, but Rommel, Manstein and Guirden
just to add Manstein strongly pushed for an immediate pincer offensive while the Soviets were still recovering from Kharkov. Most of OKH supported Manstein's proposal, but Hitler did not in an uncharacteristic bit of hesitation. Today, most experts agree that an immediate offensive at Kursk would have caught the Soviets with the pants down and resulted in a major German victory.
So again, Hitler being the soviets and Allies best weapon
Hey, did you ever hear the ratio of German troops killed by the Soviets vs. everyone else?
30 Jun 2016, 20:11
Depends what stages of the war...
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
30 Jun 2016, 20:13
oceanhawk wrote:
Depends what stages of the war...
Overall. What did you think I was going to say, 1940?
30 Jun 2016, 21:05
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Depends what stages of the war...
Overall. What did you think I was going to say, 1940?
Hoping you would be silly
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
30 Jun 2016, 21:19
oceanhawk wrote:
Hoping you would be silly
Do you know the ratio?
30 Jun 2016, 22:11
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Hoping you would be silly
Do you know the ratio?
from when?
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
30 Jun 2016, 22:16 (edited)
oceanhawk wrote:
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Hoping you would be silly
Do you know the ratio?
from when?
Your slow.
Do you know the ratio of German troops killed by the Soviets versus everyone else fighting the Germans at the end of WWII in 1945?
If you don't get this, this being the sentence, you must go to the doctors and get your head checked.
30 Jun 2016, 22:35
A real corker...
30 Jun 2016, 22:38
mfncff wrote:
A real corker...
Edited. Poor wording on my part, maybe I should get my head checked.
1 Jul 2016, 01:10
Patton all the way. It's not even because I'm American, it's because he had skill to take credit for. Monty had skill but he took credit for many things he didn't do.
1 Jul 2016, 08:38
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Hoping you would be silly
Do you know the ratio?
from when?
Your slow.
Do you know the ratio of German troops killed by the Soviets versus everyone else fighting the Germans at the end of WWII in 1945?
If you don't get this, this being the sentence, you must go to the doctors and get your head checked
Chap, the Americans had the best KD ratio of the war, fighting in the pacific.
And the Chinese had the second best KD ratio, against the Japanese ( surprising Ikr)
Then the germans and soviets, although this varys a lot, it is in the region of about 6 to 1 in 1941, then about 2-1 in 1942 and 1-1 later on in the war
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
1 Jul 2016, 11:13
oceanhawk wrote:
Chap, the Americans had the best KD ratio of the war, fighting in the pacific.
And the Chinese had the second best KD ratio, against the Japanese ( surprising Ikr)
Then the germans and soviets, although this varys a lot, it is in the region of about 6 to 1 in 1941, then about 2-1 in 1942 and 1-1 later on in the war
You, uh, you don't get it, do you?
This is a Soviet vs everyone else kill/kill ratio. The ratio is around 12/1. So for around every 12 Germans killed by Soviet forces, everyone else combined killed about one.
1 Jul 2016, 13:17
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Chap, the Americans had the best KD ratio of the war, fighting in the pacific.
And the Chinese had the second best KD ratio, against the Japanese ( surprising Ikr)
Then the germans and soviets, although this varys a lot, it is in the region of about 6 to 1 in 1941, then about 2-1 in 1942 and 1-1 later on in the war
You, uh, you don't get it, do you?
This is a Soviet vs everyone else kill/kill ratio. The ratio is around 12/1. So for around every 12 Germans killed by Soviet forces, everyone else combined killed about one.
How did we get here?
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
1 Jul 2016, 14:08
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Chap, the Americans had the best KD ratio of the war, fighting in the pacific.
And the Chinese had the second best KD ratio, against the Japanese ( surprising Ikr)
Then the germans and soviets, although this varys a lot, it is in the region of about 6 to 1 in 1941, then about 2-1 in 1942 and 1-1 later on in the war
You, uh, you don't get it, do you?
This is a Soviet vs everyone else kill/kill ratio. The ratio is around 12/1. So for around every 12 Germans killed by Soviet forces, everyone else combined killed about one.
That actually isn't true. It's more like 5/1. Source:
