The only true unit tier lists for every doctrine

Nah you are wrong

Sewur wrote:

Here you go the only true tier lists of units for each doctrine.

With most notable units being:

- Comintern's Self Propelled Rocket Artillery which is just the best ground artillery unit in the game. It can kite other ground unit AND unlike normal artillery it can kill all the ati air in the stack which makes it easy to clean up with attack bombers

- Panasian Battleships which are OP in a way that they can kite some subs and cruisers of other doctrines

- Axis subs that almost win against Panasian and Comintern destroyers of the same lvl and can catch up to Panasian battleships

Also dont mention that Axis whatever is better than Comintern's when it can be overstacked (artillery, strat bombers) cause it is simply not true. You can have stack of 20 arts and split them before shooting which makes Comintern mathematically better than Axis in such scenerios.

Undaunted wrote:

Sewur wrote:

Here you go the only true tier lists of units for each doctrine.

With most notable units being:

- Comintern's Self Propelled Rocket Artillery which is just the best ground artillery unit in the game. It can kite other ground unit AND unlike normal artillery it can kill all the ati air in the stack which makes it easy to clean up with attack bombers

- Panasian Battleships which are OP in a way that they can kite some subs and cruisers of other doctrines

- Axis subs that almost win against Panasian and Comintern destroyers of the same lvl and can catch up to Panasian battleships

Also dont mention that Axis whatever is better than Comintern's when it can be overstacked (artillery, strat bombers) cause it is simply not true. You can have stack of 20 arts and split them before shooting which makes Comintern mathematically better than Axis in such scenerios.

I couldnt find anything to say after saw place of comintern infantry

Comintern infantry doesn't really have buffs its just cheap AF. but it still needs at LEAST A Tier.

Triangle Guard wrote:

Comintern infantry doesn't really have buffs its just cheap AF. but it still needs at LEAST A Tier.

they have lesser %44 upkeep cost %15 production cost and %30 production time so you can produce more higher level infantry than axis and allies

even they have %10 lesser damage with your count advantage you will have more damage and hp at field

Undaunted wrote:

Triangle Guard wrote:

Comintern infantry doesn't really have buffs its just cheap AF. but it still needs at LEAST A Tier.

comintern infantry have day of availability +1/+2 so you can have higher level infantries before than axis and alliesthey have lesser %44 upkeep cost %15 production cost and %30 production time so you can produce more higher level infantry than axis and allies

even they have %10 lesser damage with your count advantage you will have more damage and hp at field

Triangle Guard wrote:

Comintern infantry doesn't really have buffs its just cheap AF. but it still needs at LEAST A Tier.

Sewur wrote:

Triangle Guard wrote:

Comintern infantry doesn't really have buffs its just cheap AF. but it still needs at LEAST A Tier.

Hell no. It is usless against rocket artillery, usless against tanks and usless against bombers. There is simply no point in making it ever. It just takes resources that could be used on something useful: rocket artillery, anti-air, anti-tank or aricrafts

their last level has 21-26 defence damage different for doctrines

if you add bonuses which ones at above you can have 35-45 defence damage from one unit against infantry units

if you have anti tank units at cities to defend how enemy will kill them ?? will they use tanks to kill them ??

no , of course enemy will use infantry units to attack cities what you need to defend against them ?? of course infantry

you need infantries for cities and anti tanks anti airs artilleries cant defend themselves alone

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

Triangle Guard wrote:

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

last time I checked the amount of time it takes to make a heavy tank level 1 comintern is 10 hours. In ten hours I can make like 15 infantry that will demolish the stupid tank.

You have 1 city to produce 15 infantry

You spend 15k manpower he spend 2k manpower what he does with remain 13k ??

You have another cities too but you spend all manpower at one city

Enemy still have manpower to produce

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

Triangle Guard wrote:

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

last time I checked the amount of time it takes to make a heavy tank level 1 comintern is 10 hours. In ten hours I can make like 15 infantry that will demolish the stupid tank.

General Sherman wrote:

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

Infantry is one of the best early and mid game units. It can get to level 4 by day 4, and it is still relatively cheaper than most of the level 1 and level 2 units available at that time. It is also not too slow and best at defending what really matters: cities.

Sewur wrote:

General Sherman wrote:

Sewur wrote:

If we argue about infantry being playable unit then thats not the level of gameplay im aware of lol. Upgrade once starting infantry - sure, produce it unironically - WTF

Infantry is one of the best early and mid game units. It can get to level 4 by day 4, and it is still relatively cheaper than most of the level 1 and level 2 units available at that time. It is also not too slow and best at defending what really matters: cities.

Again how does it help fighting rocket artillery exactly?

Some units are better against others. That's the nature of the game.

Yes, SPRA can kill infantry. This is a true statement. Also, an irrelevant statement.

Subs can sink battleships, does that make battleships useless?

Do attack bombers make SPRA useless?

Infantry give you a lot of HP for a low amount of MP, which is always useful when stacking to protect shooters. Infantry research advances quickly. You start with 15 of them, making it an attractive upgrade. And it's great against anything you can find in the early game: mostly other infantry or light armor.

z00mz00m wrote:

Some units are better against others. That's the nature of the game.

Yes, SPRA can kill infantry. This is a true statement. Also, an irrelevant statement.

Subs can sink battleships, does that make battleships useless?

Do attack bombers make SPRA useless?

Infantry give you a lot of HP for a low amount of MP, which is always useful when stacking to protect shooters. Infantry research advances quickly. You start with 15 of them, making it an attractive upgrade. And it's great against anything you can find in the early game: mostly other infantry or light armor.

What makes unit good is either range attack or speed (to be able to catch ranged units) all the other units are at best support units. Btw aircrafts fall into speed category as they are the fastest units in the game.

So no, SPRA can not only kill infantry but any ground unit and it is the type of threat that must be addressed and spamming 1000 infantry wont help with that at all. Also it wont help protect the artillery against aircrafts and will help only a little bit against tanks so it is simply bad unit to build and waste of manpower.

ESPECIALLY in Comintern as this doctrine has the most obvious weakness of all doctrines that is extremelly weak air. So if you find yourself building infantry then dont cry that you cant afford anti air and interceptors and how bad the dcotrine is.

Sewur wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

Some units are better against others. That's the nature of the game.

Yes, SPRA can kill infantry. This is a true statement. Also, an irrelevant statement.

Subs can sink battleships, does that make battleships useless?

Do attack bombers make SPRA useless?

Infantry give you a lot of HP for a low amount of MP, which is always useful when stacking to protect shooters. Infantry research advances quickly. You start with 15 of them, making it an attractive upgrade. And it's great against anything you can find in the early game: mostly other infantry or light armor.

And you get it wrong. There are units that give you an initiative and help you win the game. Infantry is not one of them.What makes unit good is either range attack or speed (to be able to catch ranged units) all the other units are at best support units. Btw aircrafts fall into speed category as they are the fastest units in the game.

So no, SPRA can not only kill infantry but any ground unit and it is the type of threat that must be addressed and spamming 1000 infantry wont help with that at all. Also it wont help protect the artillery against aircrafts and will help only a little bit against tanks so it is simply bad unit to build and waste of manpower.

ESPECIALLY in Comintern as this doctrine has the most obvious weakness of all doctrines that is extremelly weak air. So if you find yourself building infantry then dont cry that you cant afford anti air and interceptors and how bad the dcotrine is.

if you havent mobile army from sp units it is a big problem

if you have mobile army from sp units

how you will defend your cities against enemy infantry unit type stacks rush without having infantry ?

for example how can you stop enemy max level commando stacks and protect your cities ?

spra have max 10 damage against infantry , last level infantry can have 70 hp , 45 defensive damage against enemy infantry type units at cities and 20 defensive damage against enemy planes are they seem really useless ??

how you can totally ignore them ??

Look, this game has always been about mismatches. Rock paper scissors. With an overlay of terrain for fun.

There is no perfect unit. There is no worthless unit. You need to understand and be good at fighting with and against everything on the menu. And you need to be flexible, so when you see an enemy who loves rocks, find ways to pivot to paper.

If your approach is to like rocks and hate paper, then you will lose. Simple as that.

Undaunted wrote:

Sewur wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

Some units are better against others. That's the nature of the game.

Yes, SPRA can kill infantry. This is a true statement. Also, an irrelevant statement.

Subs can sink battleships, does that make battleships useless?

Do attack bombers make SPRA useless?

Infantry give you a lot of HP for a low amount of MP, which is always useful when stacking to protect shooters. Infantry research advances quickly. You start with 15 of them, making it an attractive upgrade. And it's great against anything you can find in the early game: mostly other infantry or light armor.

And you get it wrong. There are units that give you an initiative and help you win the game. Infantry is not one of them.What makes unit good is either range attack or speed (to be able to catch ranged units) all the other units are at best support units. Btw aircrafts fall into speed category as they are the fastest units in the game.

So no, SPRA can not only kill infantry but any ground unit and it is the type of threat that must be addressed and spamming 1000 infantry wont help with that at all. Also it wont help protect the artillery against aircrafts and will help only a little bit against tanks so it is simply bad unit to build and waste of manpower.

ESPECIALLY in Comintern as this doctrine has the most obvious weakness of all doctrines that is extremelly weak air. So if you find yourself building infantry then dont cry that you cant afford anti air and interceptors and how bad the dcotrine is.

I agree your most of ideas but how you will spread enemy damage against your infantry type units ( foot arty , anti air ) from enemy tactical bombers without having infantry ?if you havent mobile army from sp units it is a big problem

if you have mobile army from sp units

how you will defend your cities against enemy infantry unit type stacks rush without having infantry ?

for example how can you stop enemy max level commando stacks and protect your cities ?

spra have max 10 damage against infantry , last level infantry can have 70 hp , 45 defensive damage against enemy infantry type units at cities and 20 defensive damage against enemy planes are they seem really useless ??

how you can totally ignore them ??

You just need reveal on enemy commandos and bomb them to the ground with RA or bombers.

Yes i can totally ignore slow, no range units(like infantry) and kill them with RA and it is only a matter of activity. (Altough Heavy tanks are pure hell as it takes ages even for attack bombers to kill them after RA clears them from AA)