They could then reduce the Destroyer and Sub by 25 % and the cruiser by 10% and achieve a better balance
13 Jul 2020, 04:30
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CoW 1.5 balancing changelog June 2020
CoW 1.5 balancing changelog - 2020-06-16
The following changes are available in new game rounds of Call of War 1.5, which are created after the update. This is to not influence any ongoing military operations or strategies in older rounds.
Buildings
- Decreased Food cost of Barracks and added Metal cost to Barracks for a more balanced resource distribution.
- Decreased costs of Capitol building to make relocating capitals more viable.
- Increased manpower production boost from Industry to 120% at maximum level to alleviate manpower shortages in later stages of the game.
- Increased manpower production boost from Local Industry to 240% at maximum level to alleviate manpower shortages in later stages of the game.
- Slightly reduced construction times of Industry and Local Industry to be more on par with other buildings.
- Reduced building speedup costs, because they were too high on later levels.
- Aircraft Factory: Reduced refueling time for the first building level to 30 minutes and changed subsequent levels to lower the refueling time by 5 minutes each. This makes Aircraft Factories more consistent with Airstrips.
- Decreased research times of Mechanized Infantry to incentivize researching it.
- Decreased day of availability of Mechanized Infantry to make it a more viable alternative in the mid game.
- Increased research times of Rocket Artillery to account for fewer researchable levels.
- Increased research times of Attack Bomber to account for fewer researchable levels.
- Slightly decreased research costs of Attack Bombers to be consistent with its lowered production cost.
- Decreased research times for technologies which are available on day 2 (in the base balancing) to better smooth out waiting times between early game and mid game.
- Made research times more consistent for units which unlock earlier or later in different Doctrines to adhere to the bonuses specified in the Doctrine overview table.
- Reduced damage of Rocket Artillery & SP Rocket Artillery, because it was just too strong.
- Slightly increased cost of Motorized Infantry to better match its strength.
- Reduced hitpoints and damage of early levels of Mechanized Infantry to account for its new earlier availability.
- Decreased manpower costs of Rockets to account for their one-time use.
- Slightly reduced build time of rockets to make them more viable.
- Decreased manpower costs of Flying Bomb to account for their one-time use.
- Increased Commando’s damage vs. unarmored targets and decreased its damage vs. light armored targets to be more realistic.
- Slightly reduced Medium Tank’s damage to account for its rather early availability.
- Slightly increased damage of Anti Tank units.
- Tweaked damage progression of Tank Destroyer and Heavy Tank to be more consistent.
- Decreased cost of Attack Bomber to account for its lower range and hitpoints compared to other bombers.
- Increased Attack Bomber’s damage vs. heavy armor to make it more viable.
- Increased range of Naval bomber to make it more viable.
- Increased damage of Naval Bomber to account for high hitpoint values of ships and to make it more viable.
- Enabled Tactical Bomber to land on Aircraft Carriers on level 1, to incentivize carrier usage.
- Aircraft carrier: Reduced aircraft refueling time to 30min to be consistent with new refueling times for Aircraft Factories and Airstrips.
- Increased Cruiser’s damage vs. aircrafts to make it more consistent with Anti Air.
- Increased speed of all ships (including transports) by 25% to make traversal of large oceans faster.
- Increased Battleship's and Cruiser's damage vs. structures to make them more viable in coastal control operations.
- Reduced unit speedup costs on later levels, because they were too high.
- Lowered condition boost costs of select units with higher amounts of hitpoints, in order for their costs to be closer to units with lower amounts of hitpoints.
- production costs, especially manpower, for higher unit levels now increase less steeply. This addresses resource shortages in later stages of the game.
- Adjusted ranking factors based on new unit roles and unit strengths, since the old values did not reflect the new balancing. Higher unit levels now also grant higher ranking points than lower unit levels.
- 100 player World at War map: Increased the range of positive morale influence of the capital, making the morale penalty max out further away from the capital. This is done to help with morale management on this large map size; future maps will have this morale range adjusted as well based on their map size.
- Several menus: Replaced some historical unit names to make them more accurate, based on community feedback. This change affects also existing CoW 1.5 rounds in contrast to the other changes in this list, which only affect new game rounds.
We hope you like these changes and are looking forward to more feedback from you!
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13 Jul 2020, 16:03
Not needed, with the game update tomorrow, that introduces some stealth/scout changes, we will shift the balance between subs and destroyers anyway. Destroyers will become the go-to weapon to fight subs. See beta forums changelog or the balancing update changelog that will be posted tomorrow.EZ Dolittle wrote:
BALANCES DESTROYERS VS SUBSIn the new balances the destroyers equal the subs in their match up so the
Destroyers are say 5.9 vs subs and the subs are 5.9 vs surfaces/
This is not a good match up, at the least the Destroyers should be 20% higher against the subs. When you are equal it does nothing to counter the spawning of mass amounts of subs since the sub stealth is so much work more than the destroyers and the costs for the destroyers is more.
I therefore appeal for a change to increase destroyers vs subs by 20 to 33% over the base of the subs. Subs should not want to think that they are a 50 50 chance vs a destroyer.
Unrelated to CoW1.5, as the same bonus exists in CoW1.0. We know it creates some issues and it was discussed last week with the team (I posted this already somwhere here), but a if we change it, it will be later and not now.EZ Dolittle wrote:
Economic balance in new players.. change neededComparing the new player economy in the Beta tests what you see is a 50% increase in the month production of the new players. Now while it is a good idea to give new players a boost, you should do so in such a manner that does not make them more of a target for the Veteran players.
When you boost their provinces base production it makes them a real ripe fruit for picking.
Instead I would suggest that you either
a. increase the stockpiles
or
b. increase by a lot the rewards for doing things like building troops and facilities.
I don't think that there is any imbalance between aircraft carriers and subs/destroyers. From a logical viewpoint it makes sense to have a wider cost gap between them, but from a game balance perspective (which takes priority here) it is not needed and would rather be counter productive, since subs/destroyers are already spammed alot on sea while aircraft carriers are built very seldomly.EZ Dolittle wrote:
They could then reduce the Destroyer and Sub by 25 % and the cruiser by 10% and achieve a better balance
13 Jul 2020, 21:43
What if you add a different armor type for destroyers something like scorts armor type, & capital ship armor for Cruiser and battleships
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17 Jul 2020, 23:55 (edited)
Since you are overhauling I really wish you would consider a game option to pay gold up front to have a no gold game. I ran into a player yesterday who claimed to have 2.5 million in gold. Sorry I can not compete with that. So if on a 100 player map you charged 10,000 gold per player to have a no gold game you would sell 1,000,000 in gold for entry fees. I guess the question is what is your average gold expenditure per 100 player game to determine if 10,000 is the right amount to charge.
Throw in the number of players who quit when they get fed up with pay to win, I think you would be money ahead in the long run. Better player retention with consistent cash flow per game. I would not think it would be that hard to hide the gold button if that game type were being played.
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18 Jul 2020, 02:37 (edited)
Just wanted to say that OMG the new army stat info thingy is amazing. I am a player who normally has to manually calculate this stuff so having it so easy to look at is great. The way it is set out is really easy to use and I really really love how it calculates the damage potential the stack will do not simply if I have 3 lvl 1 AC I will do 9 UA damage even if im at 50% condition.
The only thing I would want to add is an HP total. Each unit you can select to see how much HP it has. But just a totalled up HP of the army stack would be a nice to have - either just ground HP or even better HP as ground unit, convoy, plane (if applicable), would just really complete it - unless that is there and im blind 
Currently it is great so if not done its still damn amazing, imo this would just make it even better 
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Edit:
Additionally, yes i'm quite hard to fully please . If there was the possibility to make a separation between ranged damage potential and melee potential would be awesome. I would assume that might be more difficult than an HP section, but that isn't really something I need to worry about when I give feedback 
20 Jul 2020, 15:46
Glad you like it!Torpedo28000 wrote:
Just wanted to say that OMG the new army stat info thingy is amazing. I am a player who normally has to manually calculate this stuff so having it so easy to look at is great. The way it is set out is really easy to use and I really really love how it calculates the damage potential the stack will do not simply if I have 3 lvl 1 AC I will do 9 UA damage even if im at 50% condition.The only thing I would want to add is an HP total. Each unit you can select to see how much HP it has. But just a totalled up HP of the army stack would be a nice to have - either just ground HP or even better HP as ground unit, convoy, plane (if applicable), would just really complete it - unless that is there and im blind
Edit:
Additionally, yes i'm quite hard to fully please
We will rework the army bar in general in one of the next updates, make it a bit nicer looking and adding more infos, and showing the total hitpoint amount for the whole army is a part of that 
Showing a separate ranged damage potential is sadly a bit too much for now, would not really fit into the popup anymore as we are using the same popup on mobile where we have limited space, that's also the reason why we round the numbers and not show decimals in the table. Hope you can live with that. Well as a workaround you can get your ranged values though by using the split command to split up all your ranged troops and then clicking on the army info. After you finished checking, merge them back into the stack.
24 Jul 2020, 10:15
Remove Notation on Ships = +15 defense on home core provinces
It is not possible for ships to be in a home core province.
24 Jul 2020, 16:28
Where is it noted though, can you show a sreenshot?
27 Jul 2020, 03:44
Sorry, cannot find it now, one of your team must have killed the bug.
20 Aug 2020, 03:15
Suggestions from a BETA Game
1. RESEARCH TREE INFO
The research tree does not show you what the hit points are for the unit you are researching.
I understand that it varies based on your theme of Axis-Allied etc but it still would be nice to have that info when you are doing something as opposed to having already built it and then click on the icon of the unit (as opposed to the "i" of the stack.
2. THEMES
Comicon is too weak compared to the other two. Maybe dropping manpower costs another 20% Would help. Also making infantry faster to make.
3. SUBS VS GROUND UNITS THAT ARE NOT COVOYS
Seems odd to have ground units engage subs. Even artillery.
4. RAILGUNS
Railguns are still too fast and too powerful. Why not at least restrict them to level 2 infrastructure roads
5. CAPITAL PLACEMENT
Capitals should only be built in urban centers. When moved should be declared Capital in Exile and not provide bonus below.
6. Capital Value
Capitals provide no real advantage other than morale. Suggest a 20% increase in all $$$ and production .
7. Morale/Revolts
Morale is still a huge issue late in the game. For a successful (expanding) player, there are only 2 ways to manage rebellions:
a) Steadily take capitols, but there are a very limited number on this map.
b) Post units in all newly captured territories, and keep them there. This has become necessary because the DC morale boost is insufficient to outweigh the expansion and distance penalties. This makes the game very tedious.
20 Aug 2020, 03:17
From another player in a watched beta game.
The new army bar:
1) is missing the timestamp for intel ghosts. This is vital to know how fresh/reliable an enemy position is.
2) is missing the ability to dynamically see what the travel time would be for possible target destinations. We now need to use trial and error. Especially annoying when you want to advance arty just enough to time it with the 30-minute cool down.
20 Aug 2020, 11:12
1. You can see the HP of the unit by clicking on the unit info inside the research tree, same as with all the other unit stats. Would feel weird to make an exception and display HP there but not other unit values.EZ Dolittle wrote:
Suggestions from a BETA Game1. RESEARCH TREE INFO
The research tree does not show you what the hit points are for the unit you are researching.
I understand that it varies based on your theme of Axis-Allied etc but it still would be nice to have that info when you are doing something as opposed to having already built it and then click on the icon of the unit (as opposed to the "i" of the stack.
2. THEMES
Comicon is too weak compared to the other two. Maybe dropping manpower costs another 20% Would help. Also making infantry faster to make.
3. SUBS VS GROUND UNITS THAT ARE NOT COVOYS
Seems odd to have ground units engage subs. Even artillery.
4. RAILGUNS
Railguns are still too fast and too powerful. Why not at least restrict them to level 2 infrastructure roads
5. CAPITAL PLACEMENT
Capitals should only be built in urban centers. When moved should be declared Capital in Exile and not provide bonus below.
6. Capital Value
Capitals provide no real advantage other than morale. Suggest a 20% increase in all $$$ and production .
7. Morale/Revolts
Morale is still a huge issue late in the game. For a successful (expanding) player, there are only 2 ways to manage rebellions:
a) Steadily take capitols, but there are a very limited number on this map.
b) Post units in all newly captured territories, and keep them there. This has become necessary because the DC morale boost is insufficient to outweigh the expansion and distance penalties. This makes the game very tedious.
2. There are certainly varying opinions on the topic which Doctrine is best and which is worst, usually I read quite opposing opinions on this matter. Since we recently made an adjustment to Doctrine balance already I would refrain from doing more at the moment, unless a majority of players comes forth and says the same thing. In our winning stats for Doctrines it also doesn't look like Comintern being weaker.
3. That's sadly how the engine works and is a necessity to prevent nearly endless combat. It is also fair since land units can attack sea units. It is also not unrealistic that a naval vessel can be attacked or that a naval vessel can attack land units if it is stationed directly at the coast (basically implying it is in harbor)
4. We nerfed them a bit in the last update. Not sure if you were playing a game that has this update applied already (only new game rounds after update get such changes). We plan to make some more adjustments to Railroad Guns in the next update, but restricting it to certain Infrastructure levels is not one of them (and we don't plan to do so).
5. Capitals can already be built only in urban centers. Removing the capital bonus when a capital is moved is too harsh.
6. True, they don't provide an additional value to the province they are in. We can give them a morale boost to the province, like in the old version.
7. I would argue that the bonus from building Infrastructure is enough to prevent revolts in provinces without garrisons. You may not reach morale high morale levels, but high enough that it is above the revolt threshold. In the next update we plan to implement an own dedicated building for improving morale, maybe this helps with managing revolts.
1) probably an oversight, will at least bring it up internallyEZ Dolittle wrote:
From another player in a watched beta game.The new army bar:
1) is missing the timestamp for intel ghosts. This is vital to know how fresh/reliable an enemy position is.
2) is missing the ability to dynamically see what the travel time would be for possible target destinations. We now need to use trial and error. Especially annoying when you want to advance arty just enough to time it with the 30-minute cool down.
2) is going to be fixed
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