Attention Generals!
With today’s release we introduce an adjustment to the aggressive fire mode of units. When switching to the aggressive fire mode units will open fire on any unit in range. This includes units of neutral countries and is not limited to units from countries you are currently at war with. Obviously your own units and those of your allies will be spared. There are several strategic benefits to this change. You can now setup naval blockades or prepare for intruders preemptively for example. But be careful, once you open fire on a unit of a neutral country, it will
trigger war with this nation.
As part of the adjustment we limited the aggressive fire mode to range units only. To counter this limitation all units will now block other units automatically when positioned somewhere.
Blocks and attacks close by neutral or enemy units, unless they have right of way.Additionally to the aggressive fire mode update we also fixed some bugs. For details see the complete list of changes below:
General:
Your Bytro Team
The fire at will has caused some wars in my games including AI on AI like I have never seen before.
Also there is a problem at places like Gibraltar. There are two Coalitions and they are at peace with my coalition,
we sail through the Straights and suddenly everyone is firing on everyone. We cannot give Right of Way to avoid the wars.
I think this needs to be fixed, maybe have a new category that says 'fire on all neutrals and at peace'
I and others used subs for snooping around, now they are firing automatic on peaceful ships starting unwanted wars, Might want to think twice about this one.
There are a lot of unintended consequences happening in a lot of games right now.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone! With this change we had good intentions and wanted to give players more options in naval warfare. We did not intend for this change to have such a large impact on currently running game rounds. We apologize for vastly altered game situations due to the update.
We are currently discussing potential changes to the new behaviour to satisfy more player needs. That said please don't expect any fast change over night as we are bound to our update cycles, so even if we decide for a change the current behaviour will stay at least for a little while.
Placed a destroyer in range of a neutral cruiser just as a check.
The cruiser did NOT fire at will.
The only cases of unintended combat I have seen are when two unit come into direct contact.
Is that the intent?
WayneBo wrote:
Placed a destroyer in range of a neutral cruiser just as a check.The cruiser did NOT fire at will.
The only cases of unintended combat I have seen are when two unit come into direct contact.
Is that the intent?
so we can interpret
"close by neutral or enemy units"
to mean:
units on the same map pixel?
so we HAVE to buy into High Command to keep control over firing?
units close enough to get into melee combatWayneBo wrote:
so we can interpret"close by neutral or enemy units"
to mean:
units on the same map pixel?
like going with your cruiser over an unspotted neutral sub
Just did it again, my sub auto fired on a peaceful ship, putting our countries at an unwanted war. This is bull@#$%. Developers need to fix this now so people can play this game....
ALL NAVAL play should STOP until developers fix this mess...…..
And as they are there, they could at last stop this nonsense where subs are considered "range units".Islandboy wrote:
Just did it again, my sub auto fired on a peaceful ship, putting our countries at an unwanted war. This is bull@#$%. Developers need to fix this now so people can play this game....
>>WayneBo wrote:
so we can interpret"close by neutral or enemy units"
to mean:
units on the same map pixel?
Restrisiko wrote:
Do you have High Command and switched to aggressive?WayneBo wrote:
.. warships in range of neutral shipping,and no attacks.
.. with "Standard Setting" the units need to meet at the same point (within the usual range tolerance for close combat)
.. automatic fire at distance starts only when set to aggressive (High Command Setting)
Don't mean to be late to the party, but I also see a lot of trouble with this update.
I can now not just put my artillery near an AI country I want tot attack and go away for half a day without the artillery also shooting at the neigbouring AI that I did not want to attack.
Also, there is no more snooping around the map with a couple of units sent of to sea since if they encounter a neutral vessel on the sea they attack each other. So you have to check on sailing units every couple of hours and hope they do not encounter subs.
I know a counter is not easy but what I think would fix the whole thing is by building in another relation type between countries. Something named ''uneasy'' ''careful'' ''suspicous'' or ''threat'', countries their units designated by this relation comming to close would be attacked. This could be done so that you can set your relation with certain future opponents to this setting without declaring war to them and without them catching you completely of guard when you are not there.
Please leave it as is its awesome I am abusing the heck out of it 
I sometimes think Bytro makes changes like this just to see who is really paying attention.
Not that much I hope, since this release was released I stopped buying HC since it putted me at war with the whole map. Used to set on agro and send it trough out my enemies land, now if I do that I get into a war with all his neighbors. I thought the HC was to give you a little bonus not to force you at war. I know is up to me to set the orders but it feels like I have to be on every 2 hours not to disturb anyone which is getting frustrating. Also about the update cycles, hope it will be fast, I see you guys making updates even 2 weeks apart one from the other, all I'm saying is speed the boat on this one, EVERYONE is upset about this update for the AI .freezy wrote:
We are currently discussing potential changes to the new behaviour to satisfy more player needs. That said please don't expect any fast change over night as we are bound to our update cycles, so even if we decide for a change the current behaviour will stay at least for a little while.
Also when you know there is something that can ruin your customers experience why wait 1 month ? Speed the development team to remake the update , after all there is only one part of the code that needs to be worked on:
Set AI aggression to the same relation that you have with it. We are at war , we fight, we are at peace, we peace 
You said IF you decide for a change... why the IF ? Didn't saw one good comment about this AI in 2-3 threads. Not to mention that if you don't see this as a game breaker and wait 1-2-3 months ... RIP. I'm sure the new players will understand perfectly the game since day 1 and can have a fight with 2-3 AI nations. From the first battle they will loose they will close the game and delete it. Who wants to be beaten by a computer in your first game/server, etc.
Take the advice from someone who works A LOT in marketing , don't take this to long to make it work, especially because in my mind it can be repaired pretty easy. Aggression from 4 to 1 for the AI.
I do not understand why this change was made at all. Maybe someone would care to explain the reasoning?
As suggested above, I have tried out how I could make this work for me instead of against me, but I have not found any useful use nor 'abuseful' use.
Personally I focus on economic and industrial superiority, which is bound to fail when your arty starts war with just about everyone on the map.
Further, this change is not logical.When I order my troops to be aggressive towards my enemy, it is not the same as being aggressive to all in sight.
I really would love to hear the reasoning behind this weird change.
I really hope to see tomorrow a removal of this new "feature".
As stated earlier in the thread, it will be reworked again. To be specific, "the fire at" will setting will return to it's former behaviour, while the "aggressive" setting will stay as it is, so that it is an opt-in behaviour to attack neutral units instead of an opt-out. I know this won't cover every use case, but it should fix the biggest issue while still allowing for the intended mechanic of setting up blockades or to prepare pre-emptive measures while being offline.
Due to our development, QA and release cycles this won't happen over night, so also not in tomorrow's update. Without going into details, it is not just a simple code change and there are other factors involved as well. ETA on this would be one of the game updates in August, sorry for that delay.
