War Management

Good job, Bytro programming team.

I normally don't comment on the cosmetic graphics, but this is a clear improvement ---- and most importantly, the information on the icon for each game is now much more clearly legible, making at-a-glance review of the new games list much easier. Thank you.

I look forward to seeing the impact of the game creation limitations. In the meantime, I'm doing a "happy dance" (since no one is around right now).

no more orphaned navies. hooray!

Stormbringer50 wrote:

no more orphaned navies. hooray!

1. The game list has been completely reworked to better promote the most popular game rounds and hide irrelevant ones.

2. From now on players will only be able to create one game per month. We encourage everyone to join existing rounds instead for more exciting challenges. Alliance games are excluded from this limitation.

When I asked about limitation I did not think about such harsh restriction. One a month is a little harsh. The main problem is solved by number 3: one need to have some experience when create a game (level 11 is OK). As I observed new games popping out - they were created in the same time by new players (2-4 in a few minutes). So one new game a week would be just fine without harsh limitation.

3. Additionally, players now need the rank of Technician Fifth Grade (Lvl. 11) to create games.

4. With the next update Members of the High Command will be able to create 5 games per month.

There is always good thing to promote subscribers. The more of them, the better. Maybe even company will not need pure gold, if enough subscribers will come in.

Digression: If there will be one new game a week for everyone, you can just set 2-3 games a week for subscribers. Most (all?) new players aren't subscriberss, are they? If they get HC membership for a few days when they create account (I don't remember if they get) - just give it after completing their tutorial game. Many people just abandon the game before finishing even tutorial.

5. When players lose all of their provinces AND become inactive or AI, their remaining armies are removed from the map and relations are reset to peace.

Much appreciate!

Khantix wrote:

One a month is a little harsh.

DxC wrote:

It's the game spammers that will be upset about this anyway; let's see how a once a month works.

If Bytro's business staff is looking to further incentivize experienced players to become paying members of the "High Command," perhaps they should consider giving some additional game creation rights on the 50-player maps to HC members.

Stormbringer50 wrote:

no more orphaned navies. hooray!

DxC wrote:

Khantix wrote:

One a month is a little harsh.

I think it's fine. There were way too many empty games. Now if there aren't enough games maybe someone that doesn't usually spam games will create one. It's the game spammers that will be upset about this anyway; let's see how a once a month works.

The problem is not with limiting players to create new maps (it's good move) but how strong the limit was set.

And no it's NOT fine.

In my observations tons of maps were created by low level (newbies) players, no matter by mistake or by ignorance.

So the problem was solved by rule: Additionally, players now need the rank of Technician Fifth Grade (Lvl. 11) to create games.

Additionally players level 11+ should be able to create more games than one a month.

Khantix wrote:

DxC wrote:

Khantix wrote:

One a month is a little harsh.

I think it's fine. There were way too many empty games. Now if there aren't enough games maybe someone that doesn't usually spam games will create one. It's the game spammers that will be upset about this anyway; let's see how a once a month works.

I know WHO made games and WHY they were empty. I've noted staff about it with details.The problem is not with limiting players to create new maps (it's good move) but how strong the limit was set.

And no it's NOT fine.

In my observations tons of maps were created by low level (newbies) players, no matter by mistake or by ignorance.

So the problem was solved by rule: Additionally, players now need the rank of Technician Fifth Grade (Lvl. 11) to create games.

Additionally players level 11+ should be able to create more games than one a month.

- Alliance games are excluded from the restrictions.

- HC members can make 5/mo. once they're over lvl.11.

- Creating a game has no bearing on how many one can join

But, let's see how it goes and hope there will be (more limiting) adjustments if they're needed.

I Patton wrote:

- Lvl. 11 is really low and one can reach that quite easily and quickly.- Alliance games are excluded from the restrictions.

- HC members can make 5/mo. once they're over lvl.11.

- Creating a game has no bearing on how many one can join

But, let's see how it goes and hope there will be (more limiting) adjustments if they're needed.

Use your eyes then, see examples:

I list only maps from BEFORE that change:

2107833 - created by level 1 player, open slots 9, players on map 1

2107567 - created by level 1 player, open slots 8, players on map 2 (the same person as 2107584)

2107584 - created by level 1 player, open slots 9, players on map 1

2107609 - created by level 1 player, open slots 17, players on map 5 (day 3)

2107621 - created by level 1 player, open slots 18, players on map 4 (day 3)

2107518 - created by level 8 player, open slots 15, players on map 7 (day 3)

2107393 - created by level 1 player, open slots 18, players on map 4 (day 3)

2107399 - created by level 9 player, open slots 19, players on map 3 (day 3)

2107286 - created by level 1 player, open slots 17, players on map 5 (day 3)

2107353 - created by level 10 player, open slots 6, players on map 4 (day 3)

2107011- created by level 7 player, open slots 8, players on map 4 (day 4)

Just a few typical empty maps.

Level 11 requirements is OK, as it will remove most problems. If someone acquired it, then he had to play a little and is not completely greenhorn. My thesis is that all this mass of maps was created by relatively new (or completely new) players. No need to limit veterans.

Question for @Alkyonor:

Why are the Pacific maps not automatically enabled for supply drops? Is this intentional or an oversight on the part of management?

MontanaBB wrote:

Question for @Alkyonor:

Why are the Pacific maps not automatically enabled for supply drops? Is this intentional or an oversight on the part of management?

Alkyonor wrote:

That is indeed not intended but a malfunction introduced with yesterday's update. We will fix it.

To my way of thinking, every system-generated game should be automatically enabled for supply drops and anti-cheat protection, and they should be divided 50-50 between player-selected countries and random assignment of countries.

You might also want to experiment with the "starts when full" option, too, for some system-generated games. In my previous experience with "starts when full," the games can have a very different character when 80 to 90% of all playable countries are represented by active human players vs. games that have 25 to 35% active human players with a high percentage of newbie drop-outs. Because the game experience (and strategies) are so different, I would highly recommend maintaining a mix of both.

Also, it has been requested several times over the past year, but "starts when full" games need to generate automatic email reminders to players when the games actually begin. I have served as the game creator/host for several "starts when full" games, and it is a challenge to keep everyone informed and on board while they are impatiently waiting for the game to start. Automatically generated email and "official" notices in the newspaper would greatly alleviate this problem and help keep as many active players in the game at its outset as possible.

Cheers.

Khantix wrote:

I Patton wrote:

- Lvl. 11 is really low and one can reach that quite easily and quickly.

- Alliance games are excluded from the restrictions.

- HC members can make 5/mo. once they're over lvl.11.

- Creating a game has no bearing on how many one can join

But, let's see how it goes and hope there will be (more limiting) adjustments if they're needed.

You don't know what you are talking about.

I Patton wrote:

Khantix wrote:

You don't know what you are talking about.

Which part? LOL.

number of game (everyone can check it) - current level of player that created that round

2106048 - 10

2106042 - 10

2106075 - 1

2106045 - 19

2106104 - 2

2105758 - 3

2105681 - 15

2105804 - 14

2105885 - 3

2105887 - 3

2105695 - 8

2105789 - 21

2105843 - 3

2105840 - 2

2105446 - 2

2105489 - 1

2105540 - 2

2105543 - 8

2105467 - 5

2105407 - 1

2105403 - 2

2105508 - 9

2105534 - 1 (deleted)

2105514 - 10

2105101 - 1

2105347 - 2

2105180 - 15

2105120 - 7

2105098 - 1

2105189 - 2

2105217 - 1

2105341 - Anonymous round

2105257 - 16

2105355 - 2

2105009 - 2

2104952 - 1

2104951 - 6

2104949 - 8

2105015 - 7

2105060 - 5

2105055 - 10

2105052 - deleted user

2105061 - 11

2105087- Anonymous round

2104814 - 1

2104807 - 3

2104925 - 8

2104888 - 1

2104813 - 5

2104802 - 8

There are 50 (fifty) games listed one by one in that order they are listed now (in NEW GAMES panel).

All are a few days old - I've looked specially at older created games (4,5,6 days from now).

From those 50 games, ONLY 7 (seven) were created by players with level 11 or higher.

As I said: Level 11 requirements is OK, as it will remove most problems.

90% of maps were created by novice, new registered players. Yes, MORE THAN 90%.

So with rule that games can be created only by level 11+ players 90% problems with empty maps ARE SOLVED.

No need to punish veterans.

LOL ? !

PS: The same thing is with Supremacy 1914 (the same new rules) and NW Empires (most games created by novice players).

Khantix wrote:

From those 50 games, ONLY 7 (seven) were created by players with level 11 or higher.

Remember: 22p Maps are also created by the system. 25p, 50p, and 100p maps are also system generated. If every player created a 22p map, once per month, the community could still each have 22 maps going, on top of any system generated maps (granted of course they don't max out their number of active games allowed). Minus, of course, the maps new players have joined, as they are unable to create maps.

On top of this, HC members can create 5 maps per month. I do not see a shortage of games in the future. If you do, by some stroke of luck (good or otherwise) find you have no maps you may join, let us know.

Hi all, thanks for the feedback. That is exactly the kind of analysis or first-hand experiences that we need from you to refine the system. Please keep it coming.

Khantix wrote:

I Patton wrote:

Khantix wrote:

You don't know what you are talking about.

Which part? LOL.

This part: "My thesis...

LOL ? !

The "LOL" is because I didn't make any declarations against which one could possibly respond with "You don't know what you're talking about."

I'm guessing you didn't understand what "if they're needed" means. And whether or not they're needed will be indicated by the active participation rates of games made under the new restrictions. That's not something for which you have any data. Therefore, maybe, you should chill-out and see how it goes.

I Patton wrote:

I reiterated the points of the OP and concluded with "But, let's see how it goes and hope there will be (more limiting) adjustments if they're needed." And you rudely responded with "You don't know what you're talking about."

(...)"

I'm guessing you didn't understand what "if they're needed" means. And whether or not they're needed will be indicated by the active participation rates of games made under the new restrictions. That's not something for which you have any data. Therefore, maybe, you should chill-out and see how it goes.

I DID counted them (earlier) and I knew how the restrictions will go.

That's why "you don't know what you're talking about". But I feel sorry if that sound rude for you. Accept my apologies then.

Link below to my earlier post (unfortunately in my native language) :

Aug 26th 2017