Best General of WW2?

Kehsct wrote:

Quasi, at D-Day, it was just pure luck we won. The bombers were off target. The rockets on the LSTs barely did anything. Many DD Shermans sunk. The strength of the German garrison at Omaha was more than Allied intelligence showed. It was pure luck the war games were going on and Rommel was away. We're also lucky that Hitler decided to not allow Rommel to dig in most of the tanks. Plus, they couldn't have landed more men. The beaches were crowded enough as they were. Heck, landing was even suspended for a short period of time. If Rommel was there, he could've been able to push us right back into the sea.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Quasi, at D-Day, it was just pure luck we won. The bombers were off target. The rockets on the LSTs barely did anything. Many DD Shermans sunk. The strength of the German garrison at Omaha was more than Allied intelligence showed. It was pure luck the war games were going on and Rommel was away. We're also lucky that Hitler decided to not allow Rommel to dig in most of the tanks. Plus, they couldn't have landed more men. The beaches were crowded enough as they were. Heck, landing was even suspended for a short period of time. If Rommel was there, he could've been able to push us right back into the sea.

The British and Canadians did fine.

Pablo22510 wrote:

'Cos they barely found opposition.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

'Cos they barely found opposition.

Exactly. So even if the Americans messed up and the German tanks were chasing the Yanks, the British and Canadians could just land as they did while the Americans pulled back and changed landing area.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Dude, even if Operation Neptune has succeeded, if Rommel had been given overall command, Operation Overlord would have failed. He could have organised a flexible defense on the Seine, not fighting in the bocage like Hitler ordered, and once the Allied initiative had been lost, he could've pushed them back to the beaches.

Anyway, I know you are all going to bite my head off for this, but D-Day wasn't even that important. Germany was long dead and the Reds on a run for Berlin.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Dude, even if Operation Neptune has succeeded, if Rommel had been given overall command, Operation Overlord would have failed. He could have organised a flexible defense on the Seine, not fighting in the bocage like Hitler ordered, and once the Allied initiative had been lost, he could've pushed them back to the beaches.

You don't understand. The beaches were just too far with too much support for it to fail.

Anyway, I know you are all going to bite my head off for this, but D-Day wasn't even that important. Germany was long dead and the Reds on a run for Berlin.

1. Yes, the beaches were easy, but if Rommel had defended the Seine instead of the bocage, he would've repelled the Allies, counter-attacked, and won.
2. And I'm not going to bite your head off. The Reds had already won the war, but it was better if all of Europe wasn't Commie.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yes, the beaches were easy, but if Rommel had defended the Seine instead of the bocage, he would've repelled the Allies, counter-attacked, and won.

Pablo22510 wrote:

And I'm not going to bite your head off. The Reds had already won the war

Pablo22510 wrote:

but it was better if all of Europe wasn't Commie.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Dude, even if Operation Neptune has succeeded, if Rommel had been given overall command, Operation Overlord would have failed. He could have organised a flexible defense on the Seine, not fighting in the bocage like Hitler ordered, and once the Allied initiative had been lost, he could've pushed them back to the beaches.

You don't understand. The beaches were just too far with too much support for it to fail.

Anyway, I know you are all going to bite my head off for this, but D-Day wasn't even that important. Germany was long dead and the Reds on a run for Berlin.

Soviets only survived cos of the Brits..

During the hours that the allies, thought they wouldnt take Omaha... they began to consider landing at the British beaches instead.

oceanhawk wrote:

Is that why Stalin was begging for an Allied invasion In France, and for supplies?

Soviets only survived cos of the Brits..

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Is that why Stalin was begging for an Allied invasion In France, and for supplies?

Soviets only survived cos of the Brits..

Really? Look at a map of Europe in '44 and read a damned history book, that is a blatant lie.

to be honest think everybody here can agree that you need to read a history book...

By June 1944 Soviets were in Poland only thing that was left for the allies was to take out resistance and the defeatists surrendering and then take western europe for political reasons as Churchill feared a Soviet Invasion on the west

He was asking for a invasion in 42, 43 as the Germans had all forces in the east near enough .. by 44 his armies were destroying every city and german in sight

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Is that why Stalin was begging for an Allied invasion In France, and for supplies?

Soviets only survived cos of the Brits..

Really? Look at a map of Europe in '44 and read a damned history book, that is a blatant lie.

I have... he had been pushing for a long time...

to be honest think everybody here can agree that you need to read a history book...

Europe, August 30th 1944. I hope the colours help keep you interested, Ocean.

Map on 5th June

as you can see the area of Lvov (then Poland) was being liberated... on June 5th.

Allies bombed the crap outta Germany..

Allies beat Rommel outta NA, and they were on their way up through Italy..

Think your forgetting that.. Italy was under siege..

oceanhawk wrote:

Allies bombed the crap outta Germany..

Allies beat Rommel outta NA, and they were on their way up through Italy..

Think your forgetting that.. Italy was under siege..

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Allies bombed the crap outta Germany..

Allies beat Rommel outta NA, and they were on their way up through Italy..

Think your forgetting that.. Italy was under siege..

What about Italy? All hills, mountains and German ambush points.

and the allies lost of 300k men..

Soviet union was there in 1950 cos of the USA..

Soviet union isnt here today cos of the Soviet union

oceanhawk wrote:

Soviet union was there in 1950 cos of the USA..

oceanhawk wrote:

must be some ambushes if the Germans lost 450k soldiers

and the allies lost of 300k men..

oceanhawk wrote:

Soviet union isnt here today cos of the Soviet union

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Soviet union was there in 1950 cos of the USA..

The USSR had Italy join them? Hm, I didn't know that.

oceanhawk wrote:

must be some ambushes if the Germans lost 450k soldiers

and the allies lost of 300k men..

Yeah, I agree with you, the German army was doggone awful.

oceanhawk wrote:

Soviet union isnt here today cos of the Soviet union

Yeah, if they hadn't spent most of their literal gold faithfully and gratefully paying back the US and British for the Lend-Lease program like they promised, they wouldn't have been in that mess. Talk about loyal to a fault!

Not as much as awful, as they took over Europe and dominated it for a few years.. they were the most efficent and best army of the second world war, and the tactics and honor that the Germans fought with, is still remembered till this day. Sure if the Germans had such bad equipment as you claim.. why did the soviets and the Americans so badly want German scientists?

Wow.. so your saying the soviet union couldnt afford to pay back the USA, even do they are the reason they survived..

right... Communism sure works great..

oceanhawk wrote:

the tactics and honor that the Germans fought with

oceanhawk wrote:

why did the soviets and the Americans so badly want German scientists?

oceanhawk wrote:

. so your saying the soviet union couldnt afford to pay back the USA

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

the tactics and honor that the Germans fought with

Since when is killing POW's and civilians, committing genocide and more honourable?

oceanhawk wrote:

why did the soviets and the Americans so badly want German scientists?

Most of the good scientists were Jewish, they wanted out as much as everyone else wanted them. Anyway, why the hell would you turn away good scientists?

oceanhawk wrote:

. so your saying the soviet union couldnt afford to pay back the USA

I never said that, all I said was that the USSR did pay back the US. You should read more carefully.

The wehrmacht didnt ...

Why do you think they all wanted to be captured by the Americans rather than the soviets?.... Seem the soviets when through a lot of work to get them...

so if communism is so great as you say it is.. how come it fails.. Sorry I mean, how come paying back the USA was so hard for the soviets?