dem' ol' jerries offended
19 May 2023, 07:29
The President
Black Power: a playthrough
After having wrested control of the glorious Zulu lands from the usurpist Imperialistic British no-goodies, our people strive to liberate their black bro's in the rest of Africa from the colonialist fascist oppression of the various European mofo's who have taken their land and forced them into submission. Grand Chief and General Secretary Tupac Rokosovskulu will lead us in our struggles!
The Portugese leeches of our Black Blood seem easiest to defeat, and we have sent the first wave of draftees out to prepare an oust of the Portugalistic extractors. Meanwhile, our economy is also geared towards creating weapons and manpower to the future of the Zulu armed forces!
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
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19 May 2023, 07:48
AyeBrando Dilla wrote:
This is a regular HWW round (and not an ACAI round) right?
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
19 May 2023, 11:18
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with role playing black people liberating their people from oppression. The caricature is the racist part.
19 May 2023, 11:52 (edited)
Cringed bird, you.jubjub bird wrote:
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with role playing black people liberating their people from oppression. The caricature is the racist part.
The President
19 May 2023, 11:56
Creating caricatures of black people is inherently racist then? Is Bridget Jones misogynist? Is Monty Python anti-British, is Succession anti-capitalist, is Absolutely Fabulous anti-elite?
I'd remind you that the idioms and vocabulary of AAVE (African American Vernacular English) were created mostly by black people themselves, boosted big by the black rappers of the nineties and afterwards. Did they create caricatures of themselves? To some extent they did; the language wasn't taken very seriously even by themselves. But does that make them racists? Can you be a racist against your own race?
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
19 May 2023, 12:03
I'm assuming most of your questions are rhetorical.
Taking on an over-the-top persona by imitating Black American speech (while role playing as an African community) and referencing "hoes" and "gangstas" is the racist, cringeworthy part. If you want to keep your playthrough going this way that's fine, I can't stop you.
19 May 2023, 12:06
I'm not an expert on what's racists or not and I'm sure you are not intending to be disparaging toward blacks, but most Americans would probably find this at least a bit uncomfortable.
19 May 2023, 12:11
Right, and I recognize that many (most?) people here are not American and may not have experience with this, which was all the more reason to point it out.
19 May 2023, 12:12
oh yanks, offended by everything!
The President
19 May 2023, 13:57
Only partly. I'm trying to locate where your uncomfortable feeling comes from. I don't want to offend anyone; the thread was only meant as innocent jesting. I know the "black" part is more sensitive than, for example, RP'ing a caricature of a snobbish stiff-upper-lip British carreer officer (I would assume you have no problem at all with that, but maybe I'm wrong?), probably because it is still a very real disadvantage to have a black skin, especially in America. But when that means there are restrictions on who you can and cannot make fun about, isn't that taking it one step too far? Can we only ever get to a point where we can joke about "blackness" when emancipation is fully complete?jubjub bird wrote:
I'm assuming most of your questions are rhetorical.
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
19 May 2023, 14:05
I just wanna throw my chips in and say, you might wanna stop before someone else stops you.
19 May 2023, 14:15
Are you seriously trying to say that you can't even discuss why making fun of black people is different from making fun of other groups?Fox-Company wrote:
I just wanna throw my chips in and say, you might wanna stop before someone else stops you.
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
19 May 2023, 14:16
Probably. I'm not necessarily saying it's right or wrong, but at least in the US this dichotomy exists.K.Rokossovski wrote:
But when that means there are restrictions on who you can and cannot make fun about, isn't that taking it one step too far?
19 May 2023, 14:18 (edited)
You put my chips on the wrong table, i'm talking about the whole acting thing, someone is gonna come by and see it and get really angry, might get you in trouble. Sure in the US this stuff is normal everyday stuff, sadly, but even then. This is a CoW Forum and this topic should have never been brought up.K.Rokossovski wrote:
Are you seriously trying to say that you can't even discuss why making fun of black people is different from making fun of other groups?Fox-Company wrote:
I just wanna throw my chips in and say, you might wanna stop before someone else stops you.
19 May 2023, 14:38
Yea to be clear I'm not trying to imply malicious intent here. I actually think a discussion of racism in roleplaying would be interesting, because there is certainly a line somewhere but figuring out where that line is may not be cut and dry. I'd propose separating it from this thread and making it more general. Maybe something for Off Topic. I might be able to OP something later.K.Rokossovski wrote:
Only partly. I'm trying to locate where your uncomfortable feeling comes from. I don't want to offend anyone; the thread was only meant as innocent jesting. I know the "black" part is more sensitive than, for example, RP'ing a caricature of a snobbish stiff-upper-lip British carreer officer (I would assume you have no problem at all with that, but maybe I'm wrong?), probably because it is still a very real disadvantage to have a black skin, especially in America. But when that means there are restrictions on who you can and cannot make fun about, isn't that taking it one step too far? Can we only ever get to a point where we can joke about "blackness" when emancipation is fully complete?jubjub bird wrote:
I'm assuming most of your questions are rhetorical.
19 May 2023, 14:55
It is better not to ruin this by arguing....waiting for your next update.
The President
19 May 2023, 15:03
Well, I'm sorry, but I've lost my appetite for this thread when people I respect and appreciate tell me it is cringe. The playthrough has ended. Again, sorry.
When the enemy is driven back, we have failed. When he is cut off, encircled and dispersed, we have succeeded.
- Alexander Suvorov.
- Alexander Suvorov.
19 May 2023, 15:31
BIRD!!!!!!!
The President
19 May 2023, 15:36
But-but... I liked this. I want you to continueK.Rokossovski wrote:
Well, I'm sorry, but I've lost my appetite for this thread when people I respect and appreciate tell me it is cringe. The playthrough has ended. Again, sorry.
The President
19 May 2023, 15:59
Is this even a playthrough anymore? Because the entire Page 2 of this thread contains nothing CoW-related.
āA battle fought without determination is a battle lost.ā - Josip Broz Tito
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