BREXIT!

Evengodsfall wrote:

I have read many posts on here predicting doom, gloom and the end of the UK due to Brexit.

The facts are the British people knew that voting to leave the EU would have an immediate negative impact on the UK economy yet still chose to leave, why?

Because the British people value freedom and democracy over a few extra pounds in their pockets.

The British stood alone against Nazi Germany for a long period during WW2 and suffered immensely do you guys really think the fallout from Brexit will break Britain?

Facts are the EU is undemocratic, EU laws supersede member state laws, and the heads of the EU are unelected and are therefore open to corporate lobbying ( bribes), the EU has black holes in its budget http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

The Southern European countries have massive youth unemployment, Spain and Greece close to 50% http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Yet the EU is still looking to expand further Eastwards adding even less well-off countries to the mix, with free travel, people in these less well-off countries will naturally want to move the more developed countries, further increasing pressure on wages, services and higher payments required by the richer member states to sustain the project.

Also it’s a known fact that many southern European countries cooked their books in order to join the Euro, this is another time bomb waiting to happen http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

Then there is the important factor of defence Britain is one of the few countries in Europe that spends 2% of its GDP on defence as per NATO requirement Britain and France are the only two credible military powers in Europe with the ability to project power far beyond their shores.

Sad facts are the future now lays in Asia, look at all the economic growth figures and demographic figures, Asia, Latin America etc is where real economic growth is occurring.

Britain already has some solid relationships in these regions and is also head of the commonwealth a 53 country organisation, why not just sign a free trade agreement with the commonwealth?

Britain may suffer some shocks for the coming years, but will thrive long term. It would appear that EU countries are willing to give up liberty for short term prosperity and safety but as Benjamin Franklin said.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin

Finally to fully explain Britain’s position on Europe I quote Churchill.

“We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

Winston Churchill

Truth is, this Brexit is about immigration, the entire reason for voting leave, was about immigration

this whole thing was about really about Immigration

Evengodsfall wrote:

I have read many posts on here predicting doom, gloom and the end of the UK due to Brexit.

The facts are the British people knew that voting to leave the EU would have an immediate negative impact on the UK economy yet still chose to leave, why?

Because the British people value freedom and democracy over a few extra pounds in their pockets.

The British stood alone against Nazi Germany for a long period during WW2 and suffered immensely do you guys really think the fallout from Brexit will break Britain?

Facts are the EU is undemocratic, EU laws supersede member state laws, and the heads of the EU are unelected and are therefore open to corporate lobbying ( bribes), the EU has black holes in its budget http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

The Southern European countries have massive youth unemployment, Spain and Greece close to 50% http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Yet the EU is still looking to expand further Eastwards adding even less well-off countries to the mix, with free travel, people in these less well-off countries will naturally want to move the more developed countries, further increasing pressure on wages, services and higher payments required by the richer member states to sustain the project.

Also it’s a known fact that many southern European countries cooked their books in order to join the Euro, this is another time bomb waiting to happen http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

Then there is the important factor of defence Britain is one of the few countries in Europe that spends 2% of its GDP on defence as per NATO requirement Britain and France are the only two credible military powers in Europe with the ability to project power far beyond their shores.

Sad facts are the future now lays in Asia, look at all the economic growth figures and demographic figures, Asia, Latin America etc is where real economic growth is occurring.

Britain already has some solid relationships in these regions and is also head of the commonwealth a 53 country organisation, why not just sign a free trade agreement with the commonwealth?

Britain may suffer some shocks for the coming years, but will thrive long term. It would appear that EU countries are willing to give up liberty for short term prosperity and safety but as Benjamin Franklin said.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin

Finally to fully explain Britain’s position on Europe I quote Churchill.

“We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

Winston Churchill

Evengodsfall wrote:

I studied economics and own my own business, so am pretty qualified on this matter, the UK pays more into the EU than it receives in rebates, so how are large parts of the UK economy funded by the EU? If anything France, Germany, UK and to a lesser extent Italy fund the poorer member states, these are facts not hearsay.

I live in UK, if you check latest economic data, the FTSE and pound are back to pre BREXIT levels, and the racism thing is overblown, you need to stop reading headlines, 17.5 million people voted to leave the EU, there are not 17.5 million racists in the UK, the UK is one of the most tolerant and multi cultural countries in Europe when compared to the rest, look at how many members of Parliament come from ethnic minorities compared to other EU countries, look at the England team etc, UK is not a racist country.

Evengodsfall wrote:

Facts are the EU is undemocratic, EU laws supersede member state laws, and the heads of the EU are unelected and are therefore open to corporate lobbying ( bribes), the EU has black holes in its budget

Evengodsfall wrote:

If anything France, Germany, UK and to a lesser extent Italy fund the poorer member states, these are facts not hearsay.

Evengodsfall wrote:

Then there is the important factor of defence Britain is one of the few countries in Europe that spends 2% of its GDP on defence as per NATO requirement Britain and France are the only two credible military powers in Europe with the ability to project power far beyond their shores.

Evengodsfall wrote:

the racism thing is overblown, you need to stop reading headlines,

Evengodsfall wrote:

17.5 million people voted to leave the EU

Evengodsfall wrote:

he UK is one of the most tolerant and multi cultural countries in Europe when compared to the rest

Evengodsfall wrote:

UK is not a racist country.

Pablo you have no facts and come with some sound bites? the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, UK pays more into the EU than it takes out, Spain is more likely to collapse than the UK, the Spanish economy is a mess!! The EU has a massive debt bubble and is controlled by Germany, glad you enjoy your country be controlled by people you did not elect.

Evengodsfall wrote:

the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world

Evengodsfall wrote:

glad you enjoy your country be controlled by people you did not elect.

Its a constitutional monarchy, i.e. they have no power, I always find it funny how people make sound bites based on what they see on TV read online, travel see places then pass comment.

Evengodsfall wrote:

Its a constitutional monarchy, i.e. they have no power, I always find it funny how people make sound bites based on what they see on TV read online, travel see places then pass comment.

oceanhawk wrote:

Evengodsfall wrote:

I have read many posts on here predicting doom, gloom and the end of the UK due to Brexit.

The facts are the British people knew that voting to leave the EU would have an immediate negative impact on the UK economy yet still chose to leave, why?

Because the British people value freedom and democracy over a few extra pounds in their pockets.

The British stood alone against Nazi Germany for a long period during WW2 and suffered immensely do you guys really think the fallout from Brexit will break Britain?

Facts are the EU is undemocratic, EU laws supersede member state laws, and the heads of the EU are unelected and are therefore open to corporate lobbying ( bribes), the EU has black holes in its budget http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

The Southern European countries have massive youth unemployment, Spain and Greece close to 50% http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Yet the EU is still looking to expand further Eastwards adding even less well-off countries to the mix, with free travel, people in these less well-off countries will naturally want to move the more developed countries, further increasing pressure on wages, services and higher payments required by the richer member states to sustain the project.

Also it’s a known fact that many southern European countries cooked their books in order to join the Euro, this is another time bomb waiting to happen http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

Then there is the important factor of defence Britain is one of the few countries in Europe that spends 2% of its GDP on defence as per NATO requirement Britain and France are the only two credible military powers in Europe with the ability to project power far beyond their shores.

Sad facts are the future now lays in Asia, look at all the economic growth figures and demographic figures, Asia, Latin America etc is where real economic growth is occurring.

Britain already has some solid relationships in these regions and is also head of the commonwealth a 53 country organisation, why not just sign a free trade agreement with the commonwealth?

Britain may suffer some shocks for the coming years, but will thrive long term. It would appear that EU countries are willing to give up liberty for short term prosperity and safety but as Benjamin Franklin said.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin

Finally to fully explain Britain’s position on Europe I quote Churchill.

“We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

Winston Churchill

How is the UK doing now? Economic wise, not so great, socially? not so great either, considering that the country is divided right in half. The UK is now a mess

Truth is, this Brexit is about immigration, the entire reason for voting leave, was about immigration

this whole thing was about really about Immigration

Evengodsfall wrote:

it has stood on its own for 100's of years

Good Bye Great Britan

Evengodsfall wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Evengodsfall wrote:

I have read many posts on here predicting doom, gloom and the end of the UK due to Brexit.

The facts are the British people knew that voting to leave the EU would have an immediate negative impact on the UK economy yet still chose to leave, why?

Because the British people value freedom and democracy over a few extra pounds in their pockets.

The British stood alone against Nazi Germany for a long period during WW2 and suffered immensely do you guys really think the fallout from Brexit will break Britain?

Facts are the EU is undemocratic, EU laws supersede member state laws, and the heads of the EU are unelected and are therefore open to corporate lobbying ( bribes), the EU has black holes in its budget http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

The Southern European countries have massive youth unemployment, Spain and Greece close to 50% http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Yet the EU is still looking to expand further Eastwards adding even less well-off countries to the mix, with free travel, people in these less well-off countries will naturally want to move the more developed countries, further increasing pressure on wages, services and higher payments required by the richer member states to sustain the project.

Also it’s a known fact that many southern European countries cooked their books in order to join the Euro, this is another time bomb waiting to happen http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

Then there is the important factor of defence Britain is one of the few countries in Europe that spends 2% of its GDP on defence as per NATO requirement Britain and France are the only two credible military powers in Europe with the ability to project power far beyond their shores.

Sad facts are the future now lays in Asia, look at all the economic growth figures and demographic figures, Asia, Latin America etc is where real economic growth is occurring.

Britain already has some solid relationships in these regions and is also head of the commonwealth a 53 country organisation, why not just sign a free trade agreement with the commonwealth?

Britain may suffer some shocks for the coming years, but will thrive long term. It would appear that EU countries are willing to give up liberty for short term prosperity and safety but as Benjamin Franklin said.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin

Finally to fully explain Britain’s position on Europe I quote Churchill.

“We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

Winston Churchill

How is the UK doing now? Economic wise, not so great, socially? not so great either, considering that the country is divided right in half. The UK is now a mess

Truth is, this Brexit is about immigration, the entire reason for voting leave, was about immigration

this whole thing was about really about Immigration

Again do some research before posting FTSE is now back to pre BREXIT levels, it will go up and down again its the nature of stock markets, what most of you do not seem to get, Britain is a major player and a world player, it has stood on its own for 100's of years and has been in the EU for 40 years, UK, France or Germany could easily stand alone in the world the other EU nations economies are too small, this is my last post on this subject, however the UK will be fine, I would be more worried if I was in the EU, another Greek bail out is due soon, enjoy!

get your money out of the UK and fast, cos it is gonna get really ugly!

Just to add that oil will surge in the UK, not just because the pound has fallen against the dollar

I think this thread has pretty much died out. nevertheless I shall continue to anyone who wishes to read this.

I voted out for several reasons which can be easily broken down into 3 points.

1. Immigration.

now this is a shaky issue and many will vilify me and label me racist, but then again that's modern liberalism for you, I considered this a main reason for my decision - and many others will have done so to- because immigration causes more trouble than it's worth, easily defined in three ways. Houses are required to accommodate these people and some will know that we have a housing crisis already, another reason is that is costs ME money to pay for their benefits because not every single one of them are going to be university grads and speak English, a large amount of them will be uneducated and poor and with that, inevitably comes conflict which can lower the social standard and cause division amongst the country. I also used this as one of my reasons because of how Germany, or more specifically Merkel, have tried to force "Quotas of migrants" upon countries once they realised they had let too many come to Europe and couldn't handle it themselves.

2. The bureaucratisation of the EU

I voted out also because of how the EU is akin to a dictatorship. With any old roger being appointed key roles such as the position Junckner has, I was also opposed to the idea of an "EU armed forces" as it would eventually lead to one nation controlling everything, even the defence of someone's country, and that nation would probably have been Germany given their standing in the EU. It is also likely that the EU would have controlled our nuclear deterrent as well as France's.

3. Money being wasted frivolously.

Search for "EU gravy train" and all shall be explained.

agree or disagree with me, that is why I voted out.

comrade dave wrote:

I think this thread has pretty much died out. nevertheless I shall continue to anyone who wishes to read this.

I voted out for several reasons which can be easily broken down into 3 points.

1. Immigration.

now this is a shaky issue and many will vilify me and label me racist, but then again that's modern liberalism for you, I considered this a main reason for my decision - and many others will have done so to- because immigration causes more trouble than it's worth, easily defined in three ways. Houses are required to accommodate these people and some will know that we have a housing crisis already, another reason is that is costs ME money to pay for their benefits because not every single one of them are going to be university grads and speak English, a large amount of them will be uneducated and poor and with that, inevitably comes conflict which can lower the social standard and cause division amongst the country. I also used this as one of my reasons because of how Germany, or more specifically Merkel, have tried to force "Quotas of migrants" upon countries once they realised they had let too many come to Europe and couldn't handle it themselves.

2. The bureaucratisation of the EU

I voted out also because of how the EU is akin to a dictatorship. With any old roger being appointed key roles such as the position Junckner has, I was also opposed to the idea of an "EU armed forces" as it would eventually lead to one nation controlling everything, even the defence of someone's country, and that nation would probably have been Germany given their standing in the EU. It is also likely that the EU would have controlled our nuclear deterrent as well as France's.

3. Money being wasted frivolously.

Search for "EU gravy train" and all shall be explained.

agree or disagree with me, that is why I voted out.

but otherwise, it was a mistake to leave, stay and reform.

Leaving was a mistake,

Time shall tell. however believing the scare-mongering and untrue shit the BBC and co are spouting is in no way a good way to go about it, things are looking up, the FTSE 100 is at it's highest. We all still have our jobs, corporations are still here despite claims they'd pack up and go. The only problem I see at the moment is the battle for the next tory leader.

comrade dave wrote:

Time shall tell. however believing the scare-mongering and untrue shit the BBC and co are spouting is in no way a good way to go about it, things are looking up, the FTSE 100 is at it's highest. We all still have our jobs, corporations are still here despite claims they'd pack up and go. The only problem I see at the moment is the battle for the next tory leader.

Otherwise, UK screwed......

comrade dave wrote:

1. Immigration.

now this is a shaky issue and many will vilify me and label me racist, but then again that's modern liberalism for you, I considered this a main reason for my decision - and many others will have done so to- because immigration causes more trouble than it's worth, easily defined in three ways. Houses are required to accommodate these people and some will know that we have a housing crisis already, another reason is that is costs ME money to pay for their benefits because not every single one of them are going to be university grads and speak English, a large amount of them will be uneducated and poor and with that, inevitably comes conflict which can lower the social standard and cause division amongst the country. I also used this as one of my reasons because of how Germany, or more specifically Merkel, have tried to force "Quotas of migrants" upon countries once they realised they had let too many come to Europe and couldn't handle it themselves.

2. The bureaucratisation of the EU

I voted out also because of how the EU is akin to a dictatorship. With any old roger being appointed key roles such as the position Junckner has, I was also opposed to the idea of an "EU armed forces" as it would eventually lead to one nation controlling everything, even the defence of someone's country, and that nation would probably have been Germany given their standing in the EU. It is also likely that the EU would have controlled our nuclear deterrent as well as France's.

3. Money being wasted frivolously.

Search for "EU gravy train" and all shall be explained.

1. Every single expert agrees that right now, the only way for the Uk to survive (not do well, survive) is a single market. Guess how the single market is based on? That's right, mass immigration to help the economy out. It's not me that says it. It's the experts.
2. Well, you point out the joining of european nations as something bad, and something that would end up in Germany controlling everything. For starters, that would not be true, as there is too much national pride in countries such as France, Spain, UK and Italy, and I think that in the event of the EU becoming a single country, which is what I would love to see, it would be governed by a UN-like inner council, with Germany, France, Uk and Italy as permanent members, and say 3 other spots being rotated about. Second of all, you point your finger at the hypothetical 'EU Armed Forces'. I would like to see this too, as it is the only way of posing a serious defensive threat to Russia, meaning we could defend ourselves well. I do agree with you on the fact that the EU's leadership needs change. I think we need new faces, lead by a veteran like Merkel is, and those people should have the guts to carry out measures that would sacrifice a bit of liberty for security, and put a bit of common sense in some of the councils. The disaster of Yugoslavia and accepting Turkey into the EU is not acceptable. But then again, you have to be in the EU to be able to change it.
3. Well, if you consider money being spent on the NHS 'frivolous', ok. It is true that in places like here, in Spain, money is spent on things that aren't really necessary, but these are being improved, and, again. you have to be in the EU to be able to change it.

Pablo22510 wrote:

as it is the only way of posing a serious defensive threat to Russia