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I say we arm the Kurds with heavy equipment(Tanks,artillery,AT guns,mortars,rifles,ammunitioon etc.),give them air support and let them drive back ISIL and what ever land they take they annex it into their new country(Since the kirds are the ones that can truly be trusted). I think that would cause them to fight harder due to the fact that after the war they get their own country.However,I doubt after the war the U.S. will let the Kurds have their own nation.

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These countries funding ISIL is a problem too. France and a few other countries payed ISIL to get their citizens back from being captured.


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kingjoe1077 wrote:

I say we arm the Kurds with heavy equipment(Tanks,artillery,AT guns,mortars,rifles,ammunition etc.),give them air support and let them drive back ISIL and what ever land they take they annex it into their new country(Since the kurds are the ones that can truly be trusted). I think that would cause them to fight harder due to the fact that after the war they get their own country.
I agree fully but I also have to agree with Henry Kissinger. The West has to become more involved in the war against ISIS, not only militarily but also economically (sanctioning Arabian Peninsula countries). Air strikes and training other armies is not enough. A New Yorker cartoon depicts this situation perfectly. There's an American pilot dropping bombs on ISIS territories and he says "Come up here and fight me if you have balls!".

kingjoe1077 wrote:

France and a few other countries payed ISIL to get their citizens back from being captured.
My country, Spain, was also involved and payed a lot of money for the safe return of Javier Espinosa and his photographer. The U.S. is the only country that has the balls to withstand the pressure from the masses and not surrender to a bunch of terrorists. I am deeply sorry for the families of James Foley and Steven Sotloff, but we cannot negotiate with terrorists. Personally, I would stop war correspondents from heading there in the first place, and avoid those situations. If a soldier gets captured, military units do everything they can to get him back, but if they fail, the country does not negotiate.
The past is a foreign country.

This thread is going from "world events" into "what happen to ISIS" thread

What about ukraine?

Greece unplayable debt?

Anything other than ISIS?

On a personal note ISIS is a big deal, but in a more pragmatic, militaristic view ISIS is fighting for their faith (for whatever reason why) but is not a true military power, Iraq is making progress, and ISIS is fighting a pathetic lost cause, sure they still hold in countries like Syria, but can they really face the world? WE HAVE NUKES AND THEY HAVE FAITH, and if you look at holy wars like the crusade and Osama bin laden faith is not a very good justification nor ability to wage and win war.

I mean seriusly I know some Muslims here and they said what there doing is heretical maybe it's just their version of the faith I don't know but one thing I do know, if you want to face the world...do it from the shadows, because if your a treat they will put you down...hard.

"Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
-imperium thought of the day

The Kurds do deserve their own country, why we didn't set part of Iraq aside for them when we were there was perhaps a mistake, Kurds in Syria have a worse situation however, prior to the ISIS threat Assad was trying to rid his country of them so even if ISIS is fought off they will have to worry about the Syrian government and possibly any of the militias that are radical, Kurds really should be supported with more equipment from us, on the bright side the fact they are still around means they are quite resourceful and they might just have a chance to survive. I like the pictures of the armor that were posted of them earlier, but sadly they are only around WW1 tech wise, by putting steel plates on a tractor or truck and adding a machine gun they could suppress enemy infantry to a degree but are horribly obsolete. Of course that may be a bit better than mounting a machine gun to a pickup truck.

Kurds having there own country?

Now that you mention it I did remember something...

iraq was founded (during or after?) WW2, it's the same case in Israel where it's because of USA and friends, there was a video about it but I can't remember.

If you look at history in many angles the base cause of this conflic is western politics interfering in the local affairs in the Middle East.

Can't really remember so I will be back after some research about it, and after I find that darn video.

"Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
-imperium thought of the day

Indeed, the British held much of the Middle East following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WW1, when they broke It up into smaller nations after WW2 they were quite careless of the politics of the local cultures, religions, and history. Setting up a lot of internal conflict of many of the nations, however even had proper variables been considered there would probably have been external conflict anyway.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to set up a little revolution with the Kurds, have them unite the warring nations under them and give them old, obsolete tech that we could beat but rebels would find hard to fight? That way if they decide they want more land, we could put 'em down.

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ISIL will not last forever it is basically fighting too many nations at one time.It will spread itself to thin and eventually someone will make break through. The west should send special forces to take out ISIL's leaders and take back any hostages. That way you take out communications/command structure and you soon will have little pocks of resistance that you can easily take out by bombing and encirclements.But this could have been avoided if we never invaded Iraq in the first place.Saddam's regime would not tolerate a group like ISIL running around cutting peoples heads off.I'm not saying Saddam was a good guy but when you topple a dictatorship chaos begins. Just look at Libya.

Now for my views on Ukraine,I think it is unacceptable for Russia to annex Crimea.That's Ukraine's territory bottom line. It would be like Mexico annexing New Mexico. Putin just basically did what Hitler did when he annexed Austria.

The Greek economic problems will only bring to rise to extreme, neo-nazi groups like Golden Dawn if it is not reversed. Similar to what happened in Germany after WW1.

I'd like to hear what you guys think about the U.S.'s nuclear deal with Iran.


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Everyone should all their nukes in one spot(outside my house) and make me leader of the world, not give them to Iran. No nukes should be going into the ME unless they below, and are controlled by, a superpower(or ex-superpower) because when everyone gets nukes, the world will be like guns in a playground. People will want to try them out and mistakes will be made.

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ISIS cannot be defeated only militarily. It's a faith, and they will continue even after they have no territory left.

Greece is a lost cause. Europe shouldn't be helping them. Don't want to make this into a political discussion, but Syriza and Podemos (in Spain) are neo-Communists.

Putin is ex-KGB with Communist views, and wants to rebuild the USSR. He started his reconquest of East Europe in Crimea, but he met tough resistance from the West. He keeps the Russians happy with his 'conquests', and distracts them from the dramatical situation in Russia, but when he sees he cannot take anything else, he will be dislodged. Russia is a disguised dictatorship. Putin rigs elections. The opposition party leader was murdered last year.

The past is a foreign country.

Now we just wait for Pablo to go 'inactive' ;)

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Want to stop Russia you need to reorganize and train the Ukraine Military, it is a large force but poor training and equipped topped off with trying to suppress revolting population and Russian operations its outmatched. Really with the current political and economic situation of the USA, the EU has to deal with Putin, and if they can't Ukraine is finished.

I really don't think Putin will be stopped until he reached the borders of Poland.

Doubt it, probably wants the world in his pockets.

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I somewhat disagree with you Pablo.I think Putin is trying to bring back the Russian empire. He seems to be a religious man, he is seen in churches often. The communists were atheist but the Russian empire on the other hand was very influenced by its religious belief's.He wants to be the Tzar/Czar(I don't know whether its a C or a T to spell it) of the empire that he is trying to bring back. However, I do agree with what you pointed out about rigged elections and mysterious poisonings. He can do what ever he wants because there is no checks and balances system as far as i know. For example, The President of the United States is Commander-in-Chief of the military but congress holds the power to declare war. Putin is a disguised dictator.

The thing about nuclear powers is they rarely get invaded. For example India and Pakistan had wars with each other but once they gained nuclear weapons they have maintained peace (except a few border disputes). I think Iran is the U.S.A's next target to invade. So the U.S. is trying to stop them from making a nuke.Plus Iran is very anti-Israeli.


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"What is Aleppo?"

I think Putin will go ahead and try to annex Belarus.He would become more popular among his people.


If Trump wins

"What is Aleppo?"

Well if we don't stop Iran, Israel will do what they have to do to do it. Israel has a small nuclear arsenal itself if it comes down to a first-strike scenario.

    Butter Ball Bill wrote:

    Now we just wait for Pablo to go 'inactive'
    Hahahaha. You bastard. :00008356:

    kingjoe1077 wrote:

    I somewhat disagree with you Pablo.I think Putin is trying to bring back the Russian empire. He seems to be a religious man, he is seen in churches often. The communists were atheist but the Russian empire on the other hand was very influenced by its religious belief's.He wants to be the Tzar/Czar(I don't know whether its a C or a T to spell it) of the empire that he is trying to bring back. However, I do agree with what you pointed out about rigged elections and mysterious poisonings. He can do what ever he wants because there is no checks and balances system as far as i know. For example, The President of the United States is Commander-in-Chief of the military but congress holds the power to declare war. Putin is a disguised dictator.
    I don't know about him being religious, but he definitely is Communist. As I said, ex-KGB. I think his idea of a new Russia is kind of a mix of Czars and USSR.

    To quote Rasputin in ERB, the USSR was a "union of ruinous states". You couldn't really classify it as an empire. However, the Russian empire was more solid politically. I think he wants to create a kind of Communist Russian Empire.

    kingjoe1077 wrote:

    I think Putin will go ahead and try to annex Belarus.He would become more popular among his people.

    Definitely. Belarus is a pro-Russian dictatorship, and it is Putin's agenda. A not-so-well-known thing that happened was that right after the Crimean incident, Putin massed troops on the border with Belarus. However, I believe nothing more happened.

    kingjoe1077 wrote:

    The thing about nuclear powers is they rarely get invaded. For example India and Pakistan had wars with each other but once they gained nuclear weapons they have maintained peace (except a few border disputes). I think Iran is the U.S.A's next target to invade. So the U.S. is trying to stop them from making a nuke.Plus Iran is very anti-Israeli.
    I think the U.S. and others struck the nuclear deal because of the following 4 reasons:

    1. They don't want enemies of Israel to have nuclear weapons.
    2. Situation in Middle East is already too tense.
    3. ISIS is too close to it. Pakistan, next to Iraq, already has nukes, and if ISIS gets them, it could be total devastation.
    4. If everybody has nukes, then the power of the U.S. will decrease as everybody can mount a reaction strike.
    The past is a foreign country.

    We really need to create an effective SDI system to obsolete ICMBs so they are unlikely to hit their target. Too bad the funding for most of the projects was cut, and some outright canceled.

    I can't really keep up but...

    Iran should have nuclear but nukes is another story, there's nothing wrong for them to have nukes it's using them that is wrong. The Geneva convention forbid the use of such weapons, unfortunately no one seems to follow it (USA just barely) if it's for defense but Im sure Iran is smart enough NOT to build any, don't want half the world againts them, and wipe humanity from the earth

    The crisis in Ukraine started from ukraine itself, although with russian influence im not entirely sure, Russia is annexing Crimea is an odd case because crimea voted to become russian like the in-game revolt turn over, this is of course

    Not democratic, so the world did not recognize this and sees it as wrong. (But hardly anyone is democratic).

    And if Putin is a religious man I'm ready to believe it, comminunism is athest in theory, because Karl Marx is an atheist, I think the idea of communism being atheistic came from US propaganda (which is always full of crap that made believable)

    "Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
    -imperium thought of the day

    Communists were trying to abolish religion, just look at east Germany, they are not as religious as they use to be I think. The commies were trying to put down religion during, before and after WWII except for the period of time for around the siege of Leningrad to try and raise spirits.

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