Global Warming?

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Haha, how would the west "disagreeing" with the poor/ nonsense ideas ( from an economical standpoint, as well as everyother) make it fall?Nobody wanted to starve, hence communism fellIt is falling in VeVenezuela as we speak..

The majority of Russians actually miss the old Soviet Union.http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/chapter-3-russia-public-backs-putin-crimeas-secession/

Hahaha, yea right.

Name one country where conservative ideals have failed..

A real country as well pls..

Tsarist Russia

Pre-Putin Russian Federation

Mexico

Need I say more?

Mexico-doing awful right now, but left wingers in power. Right wing gaining strength again.

Old US- sure, they added a touch of socialism, but it was still conservative

Russian Federation-failed because of Putin

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Haha, how would the west "disagreeing" with the poor/ nonsense ideas ( from an economical standpoint, as well as everyother) make it fall?Nobody wanted to starve, hence communism fellIt is falling in VeVenezuela as we speak..

The majority of Russians actually miss the old Soviet Union.http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/chapter-3-russia-public-backs-putin-crimeas-secession/

Hahaha, yea right.Name one country where conservative ideals have failed..

A real country as well pls..

The US in the 1890's - 1920's. The only reason why the US still exists is because it adopted slightly more socialist ideals.Tsarist Russia

Pre-Putin Russian Federation

Mexico

Need I say more?

In the beginning of the 20th century, Russia's economy started to grow impressively. This happened in general due to reforms carried out by 1906-1911 prime minister of. Stolypin or however you spell it thee economic figures continued increasing until the World War I, after which the government had to halt the reforms and everything turned upside down.

Stalin did manage to resurrect the economy of USSR in the early 1930s. But the people in the country payed an extremely high price. You know, almost 1 milion people perished during Stalin's era in GULAGs. Most of them were acquitted posthumously. So it doesnt really count, because of the huge loss of human life

if anything, Mexico is failing because of Corruption in the government. That is alot harder to achieve due to a smaller government with Right wing ideals.

The government police force is falling and corrupt, as a result, people are no longer safe.

However, the silver lining, private security and small group of people are now protectiong towns better than the federal government can.

how is socialism working out?

O right, thats cos it fails every single time.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Mexico-doing awful right now, but left wingers in power. Right wing gaining strength again.

Old US- sure, they added a touch of socialism, but it was still conservative

Russian Federation-failed because of Putin

People in mexico, are only alive because of small groups of Private security forces..

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Mexico-doing awful right now, but left wingers in power. Right wing gaining strength again.

Old US- sure, they added a touch of socialism, but it was still conservative

Russian Federation-failed because of Putin

I agree with ya pabs

People in mexico, are only alive because of small groups of Private security forces..

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Mexico-doing awful right now, but left wingers in power. Right wing gaining strength again.

Old US- sure, they added a touch of socialism, but it was still conservative

Russian Federation-failed because of Putin

I agree with ya pabsPeople in mexico, are only alive because of small groups of Private security forces..

My friend went to Mexico. It isn't that bad in the cities, but there are whole rural areas under mafia control.

pablo, do you think banning all socialist parties, would end world poverty? I am beginning to think so

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Mexico-doing awful right now, but left wingers in power. Right wing gaining strength again.

Old US- sure, they added a touch of socialism, but it was still conservative

Russian Federation-failed because of Putin

I agree with ya pabsPeople in mexico, are only alive because of small groups of Private security forces..

My friend went to Mexico. It isn't that bad in the cities, but there are whole rural areas under mafia control.

Its horrible, like the government have so much power, and with huge government comes inefficiency

pablo, do you think banning all socialist parties, would end world poverty? I am beginning to think so

@Pablo22510

I guess so, just would mean we wouldnt have to listen to all this socialist junk, and we can get on with making the world a happier place.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Oh, and the USSR didn't try and do the opposite?

oceanhawk wrote:

Why couldnt the communist states, destroy the capitalist Economy's?

oceanhawk wrote:

Haha, how would the west "disagreeing" with the poor/ nonsense ideas ( from an economical standpoint, as well as everyother) make it fall?

1. The USSR fell because it tried to implement capitalism into it's system, unlike China, it failed miserably. (Gorbachev did this)

2. in the late 70's/early 80's the U.S. experienced a depression in which many believed capitalism reached its peak. bread lines, and other stereotypical dark "communist" dystopic things also occurred

3. the USSR was easily keeping up with the U.S. despite losing 27 million people and most of its main cities, they even got to space first, on the other hand, the U.S. struggled behind in science despite gaining most of Britain's offshore territories, resources, and $$ from other nations

4. Look up any communist rebellion/civil war, or any democratic/capitalistic rebellion/civil war during the Cold War. The CIA had a hand in either creating or destroying all of them.

5. Everyone forgets China. China is rising extremely fast, and in 20 years it will look much better then the U.S., maybe still not stronger when it comes to control/military, but stronger in economy. they are communist.

Jacey521 wrote:

5. Everyone forgets China. China is rising extremely fast, and in 20 years it will look much better then the U.S., maybe still not stronger when it comes to control/military, but stronger in economy. they are communist.

Jacey521 wrote:

1. The USSR fell because it tried to implement capitalism into it's system, unlike China, it failed miserably. (Gorbachev did this)

2. in the late 70's/early 80's the U.S. experienced a depression in which many believed capitalism reached its peak. bread lines, and other stereotypical dark "communist" dystopic things also occurred

3. the USSR was easily keeping up with the U.S. despite losing 27 million people and most of its main cities, they even got to space first, on the other hand, the U.S. struggled behind in science despite gaining most of Britain's offshore territories, resources, and $$ from other nations

4. Look up any communist rebellion/civil war, or any democratic/capitalistic rebellion/civil war during the Cold War. The CIA had a hand in either creating or destroying all of them.

5. Everyone forgets China. China is rising extremely fast, and in 20 years it will look much better then the U.S., maybe still not stronger when it comes to control/military, but stronger in economy. they are communist.

1. So you're saying that in the mid 80s, before Gorbachev, the USSR was doing well?
2. The USA wasn't struggling in science. That's why they still exist today, and the USSR doesn't.
3. So what if the CIA did that? It's war, you know.
4. They are NOT communist. They aren't capitalist either, but they most definitely aren't communist.

Pablo22510 wrote:

The USA wasn't struggling in science.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

The USA wasn't struggling in science.

They killed a shed-load of animals that they strapped to V2's to try and reach space, the Soviets succeeded quite early on.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

The USA wasn't struggling in science.

They killed a shed-load of animals that they strapped to V2's to try and reach space, the Soviets succeeded quite early on.

Who reached the Moon first? Who had better technology in agriculture? Who invented more things such as the mobile phone?

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

The USA wasn't struggling in science.

They killed a shed-load of animals that they strapped to V2's to try and reach space, the Soviets succeeded quite early on.

Who reached the Moon first? Who had better technology in agriculture? Who invented more things such as the mobile phone?

The Soviets were regularly (and for free) administering certain medical treatments long before they became available in the west.

Pablo22510 wrote:

1. So you're saying that in the mid 80s, before Gorbachev, the USSR was doing well?
2. The USA wasn't struggling in science. That's why they still exist today, and the USSR doesn't.
3. So what if the CIA did that? It's war, you know.
4. They are NOT communist. They aren't capitalist either, but they most definitely aren't communist.

2. The USA was EXTREMELY far behind in science, the government knew this and spent billions on programs promoting science and engineering + math. We didn't catch up until the mid 60s.

3. It's WAR? That isn't WAR. When you were a child, and your parent decided to change the rules of the household, did someone murder him to keep the status quo? NO. There is NO WAR. It is UNJUST and UNWANTED AMERICAN IMPERIALISM and GREED.

5. Yes. They are communist, just as much as the Soviet Union. They just have a psuedo-capitalism that was implemented to keep up with globalization, something the USSR tried and failed.

Jacey521 wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

1. So you're saying that in the mid 80s, before Gorbachev, the USSR was doing well?
2. The USA wasn't struggling in science. That's why they still exist today, and the USSR doesn't.
3. So what if the CIA did that? It's war, you know.
4. They are NOT communist. They aren't capitalist either, but they most definitely aren't communist.

1. Relatively well compared to when Gorbachev came into power.2. The USA was EXTREMELY far behind in science, the government knew this and spent billions on programs promoting science and engineering + math. We didn't catch up until the mid 60s.

3. It's WAR? That isn't WAR. When you were a child, and your parent decided to change the rules of the household, did someone murder him to keep the status quo? NO. There is NO WAR. It is UNJUST and UNWANTED AMERICAN IMPERIALISM and GREED.

5. Yes. They are communist, just as much as the Soviet Union. They just have a psuedo-capitalism that was implemented to keep up with globalization, something the USSR tried and failed.

1. This is before Gorbachev: Due to the years of Soviet military buildup at the expense of domestic development, economic growth stagnated^{[citation needed]}. Failed attempts at reform, a standstill economy, and the success of the United States against the Soviet Union's forces in the war in Afghanistan led to a general feeling of discontent, especially in theBaltic republics and Eastern Europe.^[1]
2. Yes, if you read one of my previous posts, I admitted the US was far behind in science in the 40s and 50s. But since the 60s, the USSR was far behind the US in science.
3. Soviet invasion of Afghanistan: not unwanted imperialism (joke) Soviets encouraging Communist revolutions in places like Yemen: not unwanted imperialism (joke).
4. No, they're not. If they introduced some capitalist reforms, that automatically means that they aren't Communist. You also have private property to some extent in China. Again, not communism.

Pablo22510 wrote:

1. This is before Gorbachev: Due to the years of Soviet military buildup at the expense of domestic development, economic growth stagnated^{[citation needed]}. Failed attempts at reform, a standstill economy, and the success of the United States against the Soviet Union's forces in the war in Afghanistan led to a general feeling of discontent, especially in theBaltic republics and Eastern Europe.^[1]
2. Yes, if you read one of my previous posts, I admitted the US was far behind in science in the 40s and 50s. But since the 60s, the USSR was far behind the US in science.
3. Soviet invasion of Afghanistan: not unwanted imperialism (joke) Soviets encouraging Communist revolutions in places like Yemen: not unwanted imperialism (joke).
4. No, they're not. If they introduced some capitalist reforms, that automatically means that they aren't Communist. You also have private property to some extent in China. Again, not communism.

Finally, if you hate America so much, why don't you go and live in North Korea? They're Communist.

2. Then we're on the same page. (even though you said "the US wasn't struggling in science")

3. What I wrote: "Look up any communist rebellion/civil war, or any democratic/capitalistic rebellion/civil war during the Cold War. The CIA had a hand in either creating or destroying all of them."

What you heard: "CIA IS THE FAULT OF EVERYTHING AND THE USSR DID NOTHING WRONG! USSR INVADED OTHERS AND THE US TRIED TO STOP THEM, THE US CAN'T HELP OTHERS!"

Ugh, I wasn't referring to any of soviet transgressions. the Soviets deserved a lot of the stuff they got. They were just as evil and greedy as a lot of American politicians. However, the people the CIA killed had NOTHING to do with USSR, but rather WITH COMMUNISM. The CIA also had a hand in destabilizing every country that dared have the influence of communism, literally being the result of entire countries falling and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people to die in subsequent civil wars and rebellions. THAT was what I was talking about.

4. China's government is officially communist and follows the tenets left by the Soviet Union(some even say they weren't communist). 5 year plan, government controlled economy(not everything), extreme secrecy, regulation of economy.. etc, (also, a lot of people think the US is more socialist then capitalistic, because capitalism involves laissez faire - free market, which doesnt exist because it sucks)

I love America, it's the greatest country on Earth. Maybe not in 20 years but right now, it definitely is.

Also, telling me to move to NK because they're communist is like me telling you to move to drug cartel-ran-Mexico or maybe Qatar, where 99% of the country own 1% of the land. Or maybe Botswana..? The list of bad capitalistic countries is much longer then bad communist countries, so I can go on and on.

One more point. JUST because capitalistic countries (may) have a higher survival rate then non-capitalistic countries, doesn't mean that life isn't equally bad for the people.

Pablo22510 wrote:

FilipALFA wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

woo its a conspiracy all over again?

Please, please, just don't. I mean Pablo's a** hole is allready jelous of all that sh*t that he is typeing and that is coming out of his mouth. Don't turn into him. @Jacey521 is right and I wil support and vote him if he'd run for president.

Filip, if you want to insult people for expressing their opinion, go back to the USSR.