Pershing. Tiger II was slow and unreliable.
12 May 2016, 20:24
IS 2 vs Tiger II vs M26 Pershing
Saw the poll about the aircraft, thought it would be interesting to see the public's opinion on tanks.
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12 May 2016, 20:56
Tiger had many issues, but when it worked, it was a beauty. I say Tiger II.
Carl Wilson
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
12 May 2016, 21:16
The Germans had the best tanks of the second world war. Tiger II.
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12 May 2016, 21:24
Tiger by a jungle...
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12 May 2016, 21:40
I respect your opinion and disagree. Even some Sherman's could bounce it's shell.oceanhawk wrote:
Tiger by a jungle...
12 May 2016, 21:45
your view is rather interesting. however I would point outQuasi-duck wrote:
I respect your opinion and disagree. Even some Sherman's could bounce it's shell.oceanhawk wrote:
Tiger by a jungle...
that
Paton saw some new tanks abandoned in camouflage decor and asked about them and one of his commanders found it was abandoned ran on our of fuel it was used as target practice and not one of the allied tanks could do any damage except to the paint
even the so called Tank Busters were not able to to any damage
but you didnt mention, that damage done to tiger..
as for that, I respectfully. try get you link to this..
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye
12 May 2016, 21:54
I hate to have to argue but this is why the Tiger II was not such a good tank. With all due respect, parts were damaged easily and they often ran out of fuel.oceanhawk wrote:
Paton saw some new tanks abandoned in camouflage decor and asked about them and one of his commanders found it was abandoned ran on our of fuel
12 May 2016, 21:56
Joseph Stalin once said: “The war was decided by engines and octane.”
Winston Churchill agreed with Stalin on the importance of fuel: “Above all, petrol governed every movement.”
12 May 2016, 22:15
That is true, but overall, Tigers were the best.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
12 May 2016, 22:22
Overall? Let's look at it.Kehsct wrote:
That is true, but overall, Tigers were the best.
Expensive.
Drained all kinds of resources.
Slow.
Heavy.
Hard to transport.
Complicated already awkward logistics.
Took too long to build.
Big.
Easy target from the air.
Hard to tow.
Etc.
12 May 2016, 22:26
It's combat capabilities surpassed almost everything else at that time though.Quasi-duck wrote:
Overall? Let's look at it.Kehsct wrote:
That is true, but overall, Tigers were the best.Expensive.
Drained all kinds of resources.
Slow.
Heavy.
Hard to transport.
Complicated already awkward logistics.
Took too long to build.
Big.
Easy target from the air.
Hard to tow.
Etc.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
12 May 2016, 22:30
I would say Soviet and American tank destroyers (especially the nimble US ones) would be better. Also, the Tiger II is from 1944 and served 'til '45 when the IS-3 came into service which would eat the Tiger for breakfast.Kehsct wrote:
It's combat capabilities surpassed almost everything else at that time though.
12 May 2016, 23:27
But the IS-3 never saw service. Also, the Germans did not have any chance at that time of designing and producing a better tank.Quasi-duck wrote:
I would say Soviet and American tank destroyers (especially the nimble US ones) would be better. Also, the Tiger II is from 1944 and served 'til '45 when the IS-3 came into service which would eat the Tiger for breakfast.Kehsct wrote:
It's combat capabilities surpassed almost everything else at that time though.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
13 May 2016, 04:53
True, but more Tigers were destroyed by their own weight. No tanks could match them until the Sherman Fire-Fly came along.Quasi-duck wrote:
I respect your opinion and disagree. Even some Sherman's could bounce it's shell.oceanhawk wrote:
Tiger by a jungle...
Carl Wilson
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
13 May 2016, 07:30
I agree with a lot of the points about the Tiger II but I would say when each tank was at 100% the tiger wins by a mile.
13 May 2016, 07:33
I totally agree.
Carl Wilson
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general
13 May 2016, 15:05
The IS-3 did, it has even fought in the Middle East. While it never fought in WWII it was at the Berlin Victory Parade by the Soviets.Kehsct wrote:
But the IS-3 never saw service
13 May 2016, 15:26
IS 2...
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14 May 2016, 13:27
IS 2
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