M4a3e8(76)w vs Panzer V vs T34

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.

Not necessarily. Jump into space, someone has to succeed, y'know?

Pablo22510 wrote:

MihailMD wrote:

not a single chance. They could have started weeks or months earlier, it wouldn't matter, the end result would be the same, with or without Hitler.

Look at history. No invader came out of Russia victorious. It was a bad idea in the first place to go against USSR.

Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.

MihailMD wrote:

yes, Russia))

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.

Not necessarily. Jump into space, someone has to succeed, y'know?

I don't get you.

MihailMD wrote:

quite obvious you don't get a lot of things...

Pablo22510 wrote:

MihailMD wrote:

quite obvious you don't get a lot of things...

Yeah, same as the fact that you don't get that Russia wasn't invaded completely because of Hitler.

MihailMD wrote:

changing topic because you got no arguments or facts, only proves my point..

Pablo22510 wrote:

MihailMD wrote:

changing topic because you got no arguments or facts, only proves my point..

No, the only thing that it proves is your lack of respect.

But still managed to be utterly beaten and humiliated, some even hanged for their atrocities during their invasion...

MihailMD wrote:

i do have a low tolerance and little respect for ignorant people, making excuses for the defeat of Nazi Germany in USSR, after they pretty much backstabbed it and had a huge advantages early in equipment, experience in modern warfare and great generals/leaders to command it.

But still managed to be utterly beaten and humiliated, some even hanged for their atrocities during their invasion...

I also have very low tolerance for people who are brainwashed by propaganda.

I would probably tell you two to take this fight to the battlefield but then... Looks like you already did. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Pablo22510 wrote:

MihailMD wrote:

i do have a low tolerance and little respect for ignorant people, making excuses for the defeat of Nazi Germany in USSR, after they pretty much backstabbed it and had a huge advantages early in equipment, experience in modern warfare and great generals/leaders to command it.

But still managed to be utterly beaten and humiliated, some even hanged for their atrocities during their invasion...

And I have extremely low tolerance for stupid people who think they know everything, yet know nothing. I have no bloody excuses to make for Germany's defeat because I'm not German.

I also have very low tolerance for people who are brainwashed by propaganda.

^{As far as being brainwashed, out of the two of us it is most definitely you. I am giving you facts above, all you have excuses and what ifs.}

^{Same goes for stupid .}

Pablo22510 wrote:

I have no bloody excuses to make for Germany's defeat because I'm not German.

Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.

MihailMD wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.

in regards to what?)

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.

MihailMD wrote:

do you have early stages of Alzheimer's??? You made a ton of excuses for Nazi Germany and how it would different if .... Bla bla bla. I also never said or claimed you are German by the way, it really does not make a difference who you are.

As far as being brainwashed, out of the two of us it is most definitely you. I am giving you facts above, all you have excuses and what ifs.

Same goes for stupid .

1. You didn't give any facts. You talked in waaaaaay too general terms. Use numbers. Need I explain what they are?
2. Bloody hell! I do not make excuses! I am NOT German! I don't need to make excuses! How many times do I have to tell you?!
3. I am not brainwashed. I do not watch TV, and last time I watched the news/read a newspaper was a bit over six months ago. Plus, I live in Spain, a country where left-wing extremists like your Mr Murdering Madman Stalin are on the rise. And they own all of the major Tv companies. Sooooooo...

Quasi-duck wrote:

Not even Germans make excuses you know.

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Think Pablo said it actually..

No, I like the Abrams.

MihailMD wrote:

Is that why they lost?

No, they lost because of *beeeeeeeeeeeeep* Hitler.

Pablo22510 wrote:

MihailMD wrote:

sure, it is just an excuse.

Germany couldn't compete with USSR in man power, resources , equipment ( in later stages) or willingness to go to the end. They didn't stand a chance

That's why they nearly took Moscow, and could have taken it, if it wasn't for Hitler.

Pablo22510 wrote:

If Hitler hadn't decided to help Mussolini, Op Barbarossa would've started 3 weeks earlier, which would've been an immense advantage, as Moscow would've fallen. Also, Hitler took command of the Wehrmacht on December 19th, 1941, which was when Army Group Centre started retreating from Moscow.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

That doesn't matter. German flanks were covered by men armed with a few rifles, broom poles and tanks from the 20's. That is why Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad.

Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad because Hitler didn't allow them to retreat, and because the Soviets poured infinite numbers of men in.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Soooo what you're trying to say is, if USSR hadn't used its tactics, developed in the 20's and 30's and called Deep Operations, Germany would have conquered them in WWII?

No, what I'm saying is that if Hitler had allowed his generals to counter those tactics, they would've won.

So what do you call these if not excuses for the Germany's defeat?))))

Are you that ?))

That's why i mentioned Alzheimer's)))

I think Pablo is wrong.

MihailMD wrote:

So what do you call these if not excuses for the Germany's defeat?

Are you that?

That's why I mentioned Alzheimer's.

Reason: a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action:

I am NOT giving excuses for Germany's defeat, because what I'm saying isn't a "plea offered in extenuation of a fault". And because I'm not bloody German, so I don't have to give excuses. What I'm giving is reasons for Germany's defeat. "A statement presented in...explanation of a belief...". And my belief is that Germany could have won the war if it wasn't for Hitler. Notice the difference?