"Push Push Push Push Push!"Pablo22510 wrote:
I found this meme, and I felt obliged to show it to you Rommel fans:
21 Mar 2016, 12:42
Meme I had to Show You
I found this meme, and I felt obliged to show it to you Rommel fans:
The past is a foreign country.
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21 Mar 2016, 13:52
What does shitty Monty do?
"Retreat, retreat, retreat!"
The past is a foreign country.
21 Mar 2016, 13:58
Montgomery pushed back Rommel, stupid.Pablo22510 wrote:
What does shitty Monty do?
21 Mar 2016, 13:59
Yeah, only 'cos Rommel had no gasoline and 'cos Monty had three times more tanks at El Alamein.Quasi-duck wrote:
Montgomery pushed back Rommel, stupid.Pablo22510 wrote:
What does shitty Monty do?
The past is a foreign country.
21 Mar 2016, 14:04
So this is how your mind works, eh?Pablo22510 wrote:
Yeah, only 'cos Rommel had no gasoline and 'cos Monty had three times more tanks at El Alamein.
superior numbers > wins battles > must be bad general
21 Mar 2016, 14:10
No but:
superior numbers > wins battle (El Alamein)
same numbers > catastrophic failure (Market Garden)
Equals bad general.
The past is a foreign country.
21 Mar 2016, 14:15
Market Garden was a very different fight. Poor supply lines, poor tanks, little heavy weaponry (this is why para suck) who were fighting dug in Germans with heavy tanks and artillery. I don't think you could've done much better, especially since the support, in the form of Shermans and infantry, was taking ages to get to the AO as the terrain was poor and had lots of ambush points.Pablo22510 wrote:
same numbers > catastrophic failure (Market Garden)
21 Mar 2016, 14:19
I wouldn't have outright tried it. Patton was desperate to cross into Germany, and they didn't let him. Gave priority to Monty instead.
The past is a foreign country.
21 Mar 2016, 14:29
Market Garden *almost* succeeded you know. Only failed thanks to the amount of time it took for reinforcements to come up and the training exercises that were taking place.Pablo22510 wrote:
I wouldn't have outright tried it. Patton was desperate to cross into Germany, and they didn't let him. Gave priority to Monty instead.
21 Mar 2016, 20:15
Don't get me started on that. Market Garden was a fail from the beginning to the end. It was pretty much clear that it was going to fail when that SS Panzer Division started wreaking havoc very early on.
The past is a foreign country.
21 Mar 2016, 20:21
Alright, look, let us agree to disagree. This has nothing to do with Rommel in the desert anyways.
22 Mar 2016, 06:47
I'm a fan of Monty, @Pablo22510, but that is a clever meme. I suppose the Fox might say "cyanide."Pablo22510 wrote:
What does shitty Monty do?"Retreat, retreat, retreat!"
22 Mar 2016, 10:17
Maaaaan, Monty was the most overrated general of the war. Look, I admire what you Brits did during the war, and I think Churchill is the best politician EVER, but Monty was the British attempt to find a war hero equal to Patton, Rommel and Zhukov. Obviously, Monty wasn't the right choice. I love Field Marshal Sir MIles Dempsey, though. Imho, the best Brit general of the war was Dempsey.Liberinsula wrote:
I'm a fan of Monty, @Pablo22510, but that is a clever meme. I suppose the Fox might say "cyanide."Pablo22510 wrote:
What does shitty Monty do?"Retreat, retreat, retreat!"
The past is a foreign country.
28 Mar 2016, 03:43
I dunno @Pablo22510, Monty was a superb commander at El Alamein, both on the defensive and offensive.
28 Mar 2016, 13:51
Well, maybe, but he seriously foiled up in Holland.Liberinsula wrote:
I dunno @Pablo22510, Monty was a superb commander at El Alamein, both on the defensive and offensive.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Mar 2016, 17:27
A serious case of a series of unfortunate events.Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, maybe, but he seriously foiled up in Holland.Liberinsula wrote:
I dunno @Pablo22510, Monty was a superb commander at El Alamein, both on the defensive and offensive.
28 Mar 2016, 18:06
Not really unfortunate. The planning was shit. The gasoline should have gone to Patton, who was ready and willing to cross the Rhine directly from France into Germany.Quasi-duck wrote:
A serious case of a series of unfortunate events.Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, maybe, but he seriously foiled up in Holland.Liberinsula wrote:
I dunno @Pablo22510, Monty was a superb commander at El Alamein, both on the defensive and offensive.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Mar 2016, 18:10
No one but Patton thought that Patton would manage to cross the Rhine, what else were they to do? Capturing Arnhem would've been very beneficial on top of that.Pablo22510 wrote:
The gasoline should have gone to Patton, who was ready and willing to cross the Rhine directly from France into Germany.
28 Mar 2016, 18:13
Everyone thought that Patton would cross the Rhine, his campaign in France had shown his ability to overrun anything. However, because the Brits (and I think that without them the war would have been lost) had been doing pretty much nothing in Europe, except helping the Amis at Normandy at holding the Italian front, Eisenhower felt he should hand over some of Patton's protagonism to Monty.Quasi-duck wrote:
No one but Patton thought that Patton would manage to cross the Rhine, what else were they to do? Capturing Arnhem would've been very beneficial on top of that.Pablo22510 wrote:
The gasoline should have gone to Patton, who was ready and willing to cross the Rhine directly from France into Germany.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Mar 2016, 18:18
From what I've read no one had faith in Patton's Panzer Dash.
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