Mock Presidential Race pt. 2

GreatbigHippo wrote:

The US put missiles in turkey first. That's why the soviet union put missiles in Cuba.

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Or all the people waiting 6MONTHS to get into surgery in Canada...

That is surgeons, not doctors, big difference.

oceanhawk wrote:

We in a recession, cos of the leftests

Loooooooool and the commies took the WMD's out of Iraq. Kim Jong-Un did Harambe.

oceanhawk wrote:

Source? for that second yolk?

An answer on https://www.quora.com/ damned sources are hard to retrieve on the thing. Can't remember what question it was in an answer to.

oceanhawk wrote:

Call it what you want, we outta abolish corporation taxes, if we are able to bring businesses here that way

None of your big "fancy" nations like the US do this.

oceanhawk wrote:

We have a decent road and rail network.

Motorways are often jammed, as are tunnels and dual carriageways. Chunks of the nation is missing lines, I cannot get from Cork to Louth on one train, nor line, and what were once massive holiday nations now have lost their lines, and business as a result.

oceanhawk wrote:

America have a bad health system, best healthcare do..

Those are synonymous.....

Also, you have to wait 11weeks, for an MRI.. Lot can happen in 11 weeks

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Pablo22510 wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

The US put missiles in turkey first. That's why the soviet union put missiles in Cuba.

Yeah, well, kind of a tie, then.

I'm going to let this debate go on for awhile before I start the final poll, I like where this is going

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Unless the whole purpose for putting missiles in Cuba was to gain leverage over the US and reach an agreement that requires the US to withdraw from Turkey, in which case the Soviets won.

Pablo22510 wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Unless the whole purpose for putting missiles in Cuba was to gain leverage over the US and reach an agreement that requires the US to withdraw from Turkey, in which case the Soviets won.

Ah, but that wasn't the objective.

Pablo22510 wrote:

So the US of A's unemployment is pretty much 0.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah, 20,8% for Spain! But in all seriousness now, it will gradually go down.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Dunno who that is.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Well, the Soviets did put nuclear missiles on Cuba.

oceanhawk wrote:

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

oceanhawk wrote:

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Quasi-duck wrote:

No it isn't. That is an assumption....

Quasi-duck wrote:

Looooooooool, maybe that is just people who don't want to work and just have siesta's all day?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Trumpelstiltskin is a joke on Donald Trumps name, crossed wit a horrid fairy tale character called Rumpelstiltskin.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Yeah, and actually place them there was all they really did. They weren't even properly set up.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah, same as most of yours.

Pablo22510 wrote:

'Cos 'Murica didn't give them time.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I can assure you that around 5% of them are.

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

I never once blamed the government. It is not the governments fault if people do not pay enough tax, go on strikes when they have a higher tax, then complain about how bad everything is.

oceanhawk wrote:

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Most of this makes little sense. You want better healthcare, transport, etc. yet want to lower taxes, things that do not go hand in hand. You say healthcare is good but people can't access it. That means it is not good because most can't use it.

I want better Healthcare and transport, but it is an illiuson that government will achieve this. The government cant run things like transport, as it will suck. And there are so many examples of this. Government isnt some super body. What is the point of Healthcare? To make people better... How is waiting 11weeks for an MRI going to improve your health?

A few months ago, a family relative lost his fingures to a lawn mower... He then went to one of the major Public hospitals in Dublin. And let the record show, it is also one of the most funded hospitals in the area...

The machine to get the rings of his finger, were out of batteries... and they took 1 hour and a bit to get it..

Then they did, and they said when they were going to to surgery, it would be the next morning ( it was already like 8pm I beleive). They put him in a bed, very uncomfortable. And the cleaning lady was walking in around the patient area at night, with the lights out... and was asking everybody " what wrong with ya?" how ya doin love? in a really really really Dub Accent.

Eventually the next morning came, and my family got sick of it, and went to one of the better private hospitals in Dublin. Upon arrival, he was taken straight away to a proper consultant, and they assed his fingers. They said they could save 2 fingers, where as in the other hospital, they said they would be lucky to save 4. The operated shortly after, and managed to re attatched parts of the finegers, and did a much better job than would have ever happened in the other public hospital... Now the reason The private hospital was better, has nothing to do with funds. But the doctors there need to do a good job, as otherwise it will suck for business.. Imagine running a hospital like the public ones in a free market.. That level of care... would have it run outta business in a week. The private hospitals have the best interests, to work hard and look after the patients..

Plus, the equipment was a lot better in the private hospital, because that hospital is run by Proofesional doctors, compared to random crazy liberals and socailists, that dont have a clue about medicine and healthcare...

They dont know what equipment will do the best, and frankly they dont care...

and guess what, you pay for that crappy public hospital with your tax euroes..

wouldnt it be easier on all familes.. to keep their tax money, and spend it in better ways, like private healthcare..

Cut taxes, dergulate and make it more affordable..

Imagine waiting 6 months for a surgery?

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

I never once blamed the government. It is not the governments fault if people do not pay enough tax, go on strikes when they have a higher tax, then complain about how bad everything is.

oceanhawk wrote:

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Most of this makes little sense. You want better healthcare, transport, etc. yet want to lower taxes, things that do not go hand in hand. You say healthcare is good but people can't access it. That means it is not good because most can't use it.

Hahaha, people dont want to pay soo much taxes, because the government isnt some super body. Government is extremely inefficient. Government doesnt spend our current tax Euros efficiently. Our social welfare is too high, and there should be a drop in welfare after 6 months of unemployment...

I want better Healthcare and transport, but it is an illiuson that government will achieve this. The government cant run things like transport, as it will suck. And there are so many examples of this. Government isnt some super body. What is the point of Healthcare? To make people better... How is waiting 11weeks for an MRI going to improve your health?

A few months ago, a family relative lost his fingures to a lawn mower... He then went to one of the major Public hospitals in Dublin. And let the record show, it is also one of the most funded hospitals in the area...

The machine to get the rings of his finger, were out of batteries... and they took 1 hour and a bit to get it..

Then they did, and they said when they were going to to surgery, it would be the next morning ( it was already like 8pm I beleive). They put him in a bed, very uncomfortable. And the cleaning lady was walking in around the patient area at night, with the lights out... and was asking everybody " what wrong with ya?" how ya doin love? in a really really really Dub Accent.

Eventually the next morning came, and my family got sick of it, and went to one of the better private hospitals in Dublin. Upon arrival, he was taken straight away to a proper consultant, and they assed his fingers. They said they could save 2 fingers, where as in the other hospital, they said they would be lucky to save 4. The operated shortly after, and managed to re attatched parts of the finegers, and did a much better job than would have ever happened in the other public hospital... Now the reason The private hospital was better, has nothing to do with funds. But the doctors there need to do a good job, as otherwise it will suck for business.. Imagine running a hospital like the public ones in a free market.. That level of care... would have it run outta business in a week. The private hospitals have the best interests, to work hard and look after the patients..

Plus, the equipment was a lot better in the private hospital, because that hospital is run by Proofesional doctors, compared to random crazy liberals and socailists, that dont have a clue about medicine and healthcare...

They dont know what equipment will do the best, and frankly they dont care...

and guess what, you pay for that crappy public hospital with your tax euroes..

wouldnt it be easier on all familes.. to keep their tax money, and spend it in better ways, like private healthcare..

Cut taxes, dergulate and make it more affordable..

Imagine waiting 6 months for a surgery

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

I never once blamed the government. It is not the governments fault if people do not pay enough tax, go on strikes when they have a higher tax, then complain about how bad everything is.

oceanhawk wrote:

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Most of this makes little sense. You want better healthcare, transport, etc. yet want to lower taxes, things that do not go hand in hand. You say healthcare is good but people can't access it. That means it is not good because most can't use it.

Hahaha, people dont want to pay soo much taxes, because the government isnt some super body. Government is extremely inefficient. Government doesnt spend our current tax Euros efficiently. Our social welfare is too high, and there should be a drop in welfare after 6 months of unemployment...

I want better Healthcare and transport, but it is an illiuson that government will achieve this. The government cant run things like transport, as it will suck. And there are so many examples of this. Government isnt some super body. What is the point of Healthcare? To make people better... How is waiting 11weeks for an MRI going to improve your health?

A few months ago, a family relative lost his fingures to a lawn mower... He then went to one of the major Public hospitals in Dublin. And let the record show, it is also one of the most funded hospitals in the area...

The machine to get the rings of his finger, were out of batteries... and they took 1 hour and a bit to get it..

Then they did, and they said when they were going to to surgery, it would be the next morning ( it was already like 8pm I beleive). They put him in a bed, very uncomfortable. And the cleaning lady was walking in around the patient area at night, with the lights out... and was asking everybody " what wrong with ya?" how ya doin love? in a really really really Dub Accent.

Eventually the next morning came, and my family got sick of it, and went to one of the better private hospitals in Dublin. Upon arrival, he was taken straight away to a proper consultant, and they assed his fingers. They said they could save 2 fingers, where as in the other hospital, they said they would be lucky to save 4. The operated shortly after, and managed to re attatched parts of the finegers, and did a much better job than would have ever happened in the other public hospital... Now the reason The private hospital was better, has nothing to do with funds. But the doctors there need to do a good job, as otherwise it will suck for business.. Imagine running a hospital like the public ones in a free market.. That level of care... would have it run outta business in a week. The private hospitals have the best interests, to work hard and look after the patients..

Plus, the equipment was a lot better in the private hospital, because that hospital is run by Proofesional doctors, compared to random crazy liberals and socailists, that dont have a clue about medicine and healthcare...

They dont know what equipment will do the best, and frankly they dont care...

and guess what, you pay for that crappy public hospital with your tax euroes..

wouldnt it be easier on all familes.. to keep their tax money, and spend it in better ways, like private healthcare..

Cut taxes, dergulate and make it more affordable..

Imagine waiting 6 months for a surgery

That's nice- but what about the people who can't afford the private hospitals?

Firstly, this kinda ties in with that FDA part at first. A lot of the expenses of high quality healthcare, comes from the FDA. The drugs have to pass their approval, and although a lot of good drugs are not, the ones that are past, are very expensive as a result, of the huge burden carried after the FDA checks.. So we need to deregulate..... This will reduce the costs of healthcare, and also make more options available.. and lead to more competition in the market..

Cut taxes, well obviously this I was gonna say.. But the people that "cant afford the good healthcare" are already paying a bunch of money to the "bad healthcare"

I am hearing stuff, about making it tax Deductable, but I am yet to look into that.. but tht could also be an option

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

I never once blamed the government. It is not the governments fault if people do not pay enough tax, go on strikes when they have a higher tax, then complain about how bad everything is.

oceanhawk wrote:

K, yep was all the leftests, not just commies, socialists and the liberals as well.. Government shouldnt have been involved in the private affairs of companies like that.. The businesses then thought that the government would come to the rescue if they messed up, which they did...

US is far from perfect conservative capitalist. It seems to have gotten gone more to the left, thks to Obama trying to spread the Wealth around and stupid leftest stuff like that. It isnt even ranked in the top 15 most economically free in the world.. And Corporation taxes, are too damn high.. they need to be reduced

O yea, this again.. I forgot.. Outside of Dublin lol.. In dublin we have the Luas, so we kinda sorted... Outside of Dublin it isnt as good.. Glad you agree, the government doesnt do things great

Not really, the quality of their healthcare is very good, however there is trouble for a lot of people to access it,

Most of this makes little sense. You want better healthcare, transport, etc. yet want to lower taxes, things that do not go hand in hand. You say healthcare is good but people can't access it. That means it is not good because most can't use it.

Hahaha, people dont want to pay soo much taxes, because the government isnt some super body. Government is extremely inefficient. Government doesnt spend our current tax Euros efficiently. Our social welfare is too high, and there should be a drop in welfare after 6 months of unemployment...

I want better Healthcare and transport, but it is an illiuson that government will achieve this. The government cant run things like transport, as it will suck. And there are so many examples of this. Government isnt some super body. What is the point of Healthcare? To make people better... How is waiting 11weeks for an MRI going to improve your health?

A few months ago, a family relative lost his fingures to a lawn mower... He then went to one of the major Public hospitals in Dublin. And let the record show, it is also one of the most funded hospitals in the area...

The machine to get the rings of his finger, were out of batteries... and they took 1 hour and a bit to get it..

Then they did, and they said when they were going to to surgery, it would be the next morning ( it was already like 8pm I beleive). They put him in a bed, very uncomfortable. And the cleaning lady was walking in around the patient area at night, with the lights out... and was asking everybody " what wrong with ya?" how ya doin love? in a really really really Dub Accent.

Eventually the next morning came, and my family got sick of it, and went to one of the better private hospitals in Dublin. Upon arrival, he was taken straight away to a proper consultant, and they assed his fingers. They said they could save 2 fingers, where as in the other hospital, they said they would be lucky to save 4. The operated shortly after, and managed to re attatched parts of the finegers, and did a much better job than would have ever happened in the other public hospital... Now the reason The private hospital was better, has nothing to do with funds. But the doctors there need to do a good job, as otherwise it will suck for business.. Imagine running a hospital like the public ones in a free market.. That level of care... would have it run outta business in a week. The private hospitals have the best interests, to work hard and look after the patients..

Plus, the equipment was a lot better in the private hospital, because that hospital is run by Proofesional doctors, compared to random crazy liberals and socailists, that dont have a clue about medicine and healthcare...

They dont know what equipment will do the best, and frankly they dont care...

and guess what, you pay for that crappy public hospital with your tax euroes..

wouldnt it be easier on all familes.. to keep their tax money, and spend it in better ways, like private healthcare..

Cut taxes, dergulate and make it more affordable..

Imagine waiting 6 months for a surgery

That's nice- but what about the people who can't afford the private hospitals?

Your right, was kinda setting you up for it

Firstly, this kinda ties in with that FDA part at first. A lot of the expenses of high quality healthcare, comes from the FDA. The drugs have to pass their approval, and although a lot of good drugs are not, the ones that are past, are very expensive as a result, of the huge burden carried after the FDA checks.. So we need to deregulate..... This will reduce the costs of healthcare, and also make more options available.. and lead to more competition in the market..

Cut taxes, well obviously this I was gonna say.. But the people that "cant afford the good healthcare" are already paying a bunch of money to the "bad healthcare"

I am hearing stuff, about making it tax Deductable, but I am yet to look into that.. but tht could also be an option

It seems we both see the same problem, but have different ideas on how to fix it. Keep in mind the US healthcare system is a money vacuum (I'll explain why later). The US spends 18% of its GDP on healthcare, more than any other country in the world, even though the healthcare system is all technically privately owned. It spends more than 3 times more on healthcare than on it's military. The US could easily pay for the healthcare systems of several countries, yet it is ranked 37th in the world for best healthcare by the CDC. The way I see it, the US government could nationalize the entire healthcare industry- including pharmacy corporations, provide healthcare to all Americans for free, increase hospital sizes and staff (so people can be treated faster) AND pay the entire healthcare budget for several third world countries, and still save trillions of dollars.

In the US the people who can't afford good healthcare pay nothing. It's the people who can afford good healthcare who are forced to buy health insurance for both themselves and people who cant afford it from the government. The weird thing is, the insurance doesn't actually come from the government, but from privately owned insurance companies, which the government subsidizes in addition to the money they get from the insurance everybody is required to buy. All the government is doing is enforcing a law that says you have to buy it, and losing money in the process. The insurance that people are required to buy often does not even fully cover the costs of some emergency care somebody might need (which they have to wait hours for, even though hospitals are privately owned). I do not endorse this system or anything like it.

Let me know when you guys believe this section of the debate has concluded, so we can move to the final race !

vex03 wrote:

Let me know when you guys believe this section of the debate has concluded, so we can move to the final race !

GreatbigHippo wrote:

It seems we both see the same problem, but have different ideas on how to fix it. Keep in mind the US healthcare system is a money vacuum (I'll explain why later). The US spends 18% of its GDP on healthcare, more than any other country in the world, even though the healthcare system is all technically privately owned. It spends more than 3 times more on healthcare than on it's military. The US could easily pay for the healthcare systems of several countries, yet it is ranked 37th in the world for best healthcare by the CDC. The way I see it, the US government could nationalize the entire healthcare industry- including pharmacy corporations, provide healthcare to all Americans for free, increase hospital sizes and staff (so people can be treated faster) AND pay the entire healthcare budget for several third world countries, and still save trillions of dollars.

In the US the people who can't afford good healthcare pay nothing. It's the people who can afford good healthcare who are forced to buy health insurance for both themselves and people who cant afford it from the government. The weird thing is, the insurance doesn't actually come from the government, but from privately owned insurance companies, which the government subsidizes in addition to the money they get from the insurance everybody is required to buy. All the government is doing is enforcing a law that says you have to buy it, and losing money in the process. The insurance that people are required to buy often does not even fully cover the costs of some emergency care somebody might need (which they have to wait hours for, even though hospitals are privately owned). I do not endorse this system or anything like it.

And if they treat you well? You will be back next time you are sick, and prop tell your friends and relatives, that it was a good hospital...

Money wont solve the prob.. America needs healthcare reform for sure. But I have to admit, I aint aware of all the bits of the legislation like this that you mentioned.

Making healthcare tax deductible, can also decrease the costs... In Ireland, they do what with some types of braces and Dentistry... really helps a lot of people

what part of America are you from? Just wondering, like NE or West coast?

Quasi-duck wrote:

America only real lost in the exchange. I mean, do you really think the Soviets really cared that they lost something they never really had?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Lol, export them to NK so they learn what it is like to work.

Btw, you are alike Trump. Trump portrays the US as a shit country who needs to do a lot better. You do the same.

Pablo22510 wrote:

That's precisely why America won. After all, the USA had many places close to the USSR to put its missiles. Cuba was the only close place the USSR had. And America reacted so quickly it prevented the USSR to setting it up properly.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Btw, you are alike Trump. Trump portrays the US as a shit country who needs to do a lot better. You do the same.

For instance, the US relies on gear to fight a war that never came and an opponent that now no longer exists. This gear was also designed back when Madonna was hot (M1 Abrams)

On the other hand, it is one of the best tanks of all time.

@oceanhawk private healthcare is useless if you cannot afford it.

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

It seems we both see the same problem, but have different ideas on how to fix it. Keep in mind the US healthcare system is a money vacuum (I'll explain why later). The US spends 18% of its GDP on healthcare, more than any other country in the world, even though the healthcare system is all technically privately owned. It spends more than 3 times more on healthcare than on it's military. The US could easily pay for the healthcare systems of several countries, yet it is ranked 37th in the world for best healthcare by the CDC. The way I see it, the US government could nationalize the entire healthcare industry- including pharmacy corporations, provide healthcare to all Americans for free, increase hospital sizes and staff (so people can be treated faster) AND pay the entire healthcare budget for several third world countries, and still save trillions of dollars.

In the US the people who can't afford good healthcare pay nothing. It's the people who can afford good healthcare who are forced to buy health insurance for both themselves and people who cant afford it from the government. The weird thing is, the insurance doesn't actually come from the government, but from privately owned insurance companies, which the government subsidizes in addition to the money they get from the insurance everybody is required to buy. All the government is doing is enforcing a law that says you have to buy it, and losing money in the process. The insurance that people are required to buy often does not even fully cover the costs of some emergency care somebody might need (which they have to wait hours for, even though hospitals are privately owned). I do not endorse this system or anything like it.

See that is where you and I depart.. It isnt just the funding that is what makes private healthcare better. It is the inncentives. See the private hospital, need to do the best they can do. As they are trying to make a profit. Know lets say a private hospital treated you badly, you would prop tell a few friends, or right a review on the internet, or stuff like that. Not to mention, next time you would take your business elsewhere...

And if they treat you well? You will be back next time you are sick, and prop tell your friends and relatives, that it was a good hospital...

Money wont solve the prob.. America needs healthcare reform for sure. But I have to admit, I aint aware of all the bits of the legislation like this that you mentioned.

Making healthcare tax deductible, can also decrease the costs... In Ireland, they do what with some types of braces and Dentistry... really helps a lot of people

what part of America are you from? Just wondering, like NE or West coast?

I'm from inland SW. I don't think it matters, though, the same healthcare policy is in every state, except maybe Georgia, but I'm not sure.