Hello! Back again with another mock presidential race!
This one will share a lot of things with the first version however, this one will be a race for the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom!
Due to the rather recent resigning of David Cameron, I thought it would be a good country. Many of you suggested we should do a race for a different country! So here we go!
Same rules apply as the last race, (reference thread "Mock Presidential Race" in "off topic")
However you will be running for Prime Minister of the United Kingdom!
The following political parties in the race are the following,
PartyPolitical PositionLeader
Conservative and Unionist Party
Centre-right
David Cameron
Labour Party
Centre-left
Jeremy Corbyn
Scottish National Party
Centre-left
Nicola Sturgeon
Liberal Democrats
Centre
Tim Farron
Have fun! Remember candidates can respectfully debate each other!
Poll for party representatives will end July 15th!
After that, the winners of each party will move on to the PM race!
Everybody can vote, and your vote can be changed at anytime! Just remember to use that feature responsibly!
I'm your host Vex03,
Let's get RIOOOGHHTT into the debates!
Make America Great Again. #Trump2016
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27 Jul 2016, 19:54
Quasi-duck wrote:
There was many places in South America they could've gone to.
I knew you were going to say that. That isn't true. CIA proved how easily governments were overthrowable or 'blackmailed' (Cuba's case) in South America.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Hahahahahahahahaha, that is ridiculous. It is one of the best of a bad lot. You are only getting one side of what I say.
For instance, the US relies on gear to fight a war that never came and an opponent that now no longer exists. This gear was also designed back when Madonna was hot (M1 Abrams)
On the other hand, it is one of the best tanks of all time.
What I'm saying is that you portray America as a shit country, and that is exactly what Trump is saying. Trump is saying the USA is shitty right now.
The past is a foreign country.
27 Jul 2016, 21:40
GreatbigHippo wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
GreatbigHippo wrote:
It seems we both see the same problem, but have different ideas on how to fix it. Keep in mind the US healthcare system is a money vacuum (I'll explain why later). The US spends 18% of its GDP on healthcare, more than any other country in the world, even though the healthcare system is all technically privately owned. It spends more than 3 times more on healthcare than on it's military. The US could easily pay for the healthcare systems of several countries, yet it is ranked 37th in the world for best healthcare by the CDC. The way I see it, the US government could nationalize the entire healthcare industry- including pharmacy corporations, provide healthcare to all Americans for free, increase hospital sizes and staff (so people can be treated faster) AND pay the entire healthcare budget for several third world countries, and still save trillions of dollars.
In the US the people who can't afford good healthcare pay nothing. It's the people who can afford good healthcare who are forced to buy health insurance for both themselves and people who cant afford it from the government. The weird thing is, the insurance doesn't actually come from the government, but from privately owned insurance companies, which the government subsidizes in addition to the money they get from the insurance everybody is required to buy. All the government is doing is enforcing a law that says you have to buy it, and losing money in the process. The insurance that people are required to buy often does not even fully cover the costs of some emergency care somebody might need (which they have to wait hours for, even though hospitals are privately owned). I do not endorse this system or anything like it.
See that is where you and I depart.. It isnt just the funding that is what makes private healthcare better. It is the inncentives. See the private hospital, need to do the best they can do. As they are trying to make a profit. Know lets say a private hospital treated you badly, you would prop tell a few friends, or right a review on the internet, or stuff like that. Not to mention, next time you would take your business elsewhere...And if they treat you well? You will be back next time you are sick, and prop tell your friends and relatives, that it was a good hospital...
Money wont solve the prob.. America needs healthcare reform for sure. But I have to admit, I aint aware of all the bits of the legislation like this that you mentioned.
Making healthcare tax deductible, can also decrease the costs... In Ireland, they do what with some types of braces and Dentistry... really helps a lot of people
what part of America are you from? Just wondering, like NE or West coast?
In many cases a town will only have one hospital, so there is nothing to compete against, giving the one hospital a monopoly in a small area. I'm sure you know that when a company has a monopoly, they provide low quality service. It is the same for American hospitals.
I'm from inland SW. I don't think it matters, though, the same healthcare policy is in every state, except maybe Georgia, but I'm not sure.
And guess what... Government providing Healthcare is also a monoply!
same with schools, hospitals, transport and the rest.. In the End the government is going to have a monoply.. And they will only think about cutting the services offered, to fit the budget.. The lack the inncentive to improve the services there offer.. Here in Ireland the public hospitals and services, the government rejected the idea of buying a special heart Machine.. A private hospital got it in their hospital, and saved a lot of lives and helped a lot of people..
Now I should add that eventually, a charity was privatley set up, and bought the machine, and donated it to the public hospitals.. But even still, it is being better kept and better run in the private hospital
Get what I am saying? The government simply cant calculate the needs of an ordinary people, and really cant decide what is the best for them
But you are right, one town having one hospital is bad, and they wont cut services available, just lower the quality.. so they still will have a heart unit, but wont have great equipment..
But at least we both agree, The health system needs improvements..
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
28 Jul 2016, 14:25
Pablo22510 wrote:
CIA proved how easily governments were overthrowable or 'blackmailed' (Cuba's case) in South America.
Loooool give 'em nukes and chems, no more overthrowing then (this is of course a joke).
Have Soviet "volunteer" troops help keep power, obviously, as well as set up bases anyways. At the first sign of trouble the USSR should get invited to help keep the peace, then push down any revolts. The Soviets had experience with these e.g. Hungary.
Pablo22510 wrote:
What I'm saying is that you portray America as a shit country, and that is exactly what Trump is saying. Trump is saying the USA is shitty right now.
Oh, well, poo. I'll try clear it up. The US has the best military tech, decent economy, just a lot of the stuff I have a problem with because it doesn't help the people.
I mean, their public transport isn't great, while in Europe it is top class. Hospitals, well, it is too expensive, while in Europe, it is pretty good (in my experience, anyway).
Their schooling is obviously poor. College is too expensive as well.
This all comes off as the US being pretty good, especially abroad (they have done great stuff abroad), but public services are poor. I would blame this on lack of funding, and in some places corruption.
28 Jul 2016, 18:33
Never vote for Quasi, he's a damned Communist.
28 Jul 2016, 18:59
Not A Communist wrote:
Never vote for Quasi, he's a damned Communist.
Yes, vote for me instead!
Forum Gang Premier you are a balls
28 Jul 2016, 19:27 (edited)
Alright! The final election poll is up now! Good luck to all candidates !
Let me know if I'm missing anything!
Make America Great Again. #Trump2016
28 Jul 2016, 19:39
Not A Communist wrote:
Never vote for Quasi, he's a damned Communist.
I'm not running, and just the other day, the BBC has been complaining about the Sir Philip Green being the "unacceptable face of capitalism". By MPs as well.
I'm not running, and just the other day, the BBC has been complaining about the Sir Philip Green being the "unacceptable face of capitalism". By MPs as well.
I hate leftist commies ! Also Quasi I joined a game you're in
28 Jul 2016, 20:09
Quasi-duck wrote:
Loooool give 'em nukes and chems, no more overthrowing then (this is of course a joke).
Have Soviet "volunteer" troops help keep power, obviously, as well as set up bases anyways. At the first sign of trouble the USSR should get invited to help keep the peace, then push down any revolts. The Soviets had experience with these e.g. Hungary.
Well, they might have experience in putting down uprisings, but they were shit at preventing them. And there are only so many uprisings you can put down.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Oh, well, poo. I'll try clear it up. The US has the best military tech, decent economy, just a lot of the stuff I have a problem with because it doesn't help the people.
I mean, their public transport isn't great, while in Europe it is top class. Hospitals, well, it is too expensive, while in Europe, it is pretty good (in my experience, anyway).
Their schooling is obviously poor. College is too expensive as well.
This all comes off as the US being pretty good, especially abroad (they have done great stuff abroad), but public services are poor. I would blame this on lack of funding, and in some places corruption.
Ok, and the question I ask you is: what would you do to improve the US? Please keep it short and no Commie bullshit.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Jul 2016, 20:16
Not A Communist wrote:
Also Quasi I joined a game you're in
Nice, want to be allies?
Pablo22510 wrote:
And there are only so many uprisings you can put down.
Yeah, eventually the local population just stops trying.
Pablo22510 wrote:
Ok, and the question I ask you is: what would you do to improve the US?
Is it not obvious? Cut military funding (I'm thinking the National Guard, they don't do much, right?) and put it towards education and healthcare, maybe towards public buses if it can spared.
I'm not actually sure where all the funding in the US goes and such, but things like the F-35? Slash it. Improve the A-10, F/A -18 and the F-22.
Yeah, eventually the local population just stops trying.
No, eventually the country that puts down the rebellions realises that it shouldn't be there, and leaves.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Is it not obvious? Cut military funding (I'm thinking the National Guard, they don't do much, right?) and put it towards education and healthcare, maybe towards public buses if it can spared.
I'm not actually sure where all the funding in the US goes and such, but things like the F-35? Slash it. Improve the A-10, F/A -18 and the F-22.
Ok, then we agree.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Jul 2016, 20:22
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, eventually the country that puts down the rebellions realises that it shouldn't be there, and leaves.
Lol, you forgot that the govt. is a Soviet friendly regime
Pablo22510 wrote:
Ok, then we agree.
Lol, that is pretty leftist of you
28 Jul 2016, 20:25
Quasi-duck wrote:
Lol, you forgot that the govt. is a Soviet friendly regime
Not for the rioters it isn't.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Lol, that is pretty leftist of you
No. It's just American military spending is pretty big. I hope it stays like that, but there's no need to throw away money on stuff like the F-35 and the National Guard.
The past is a foreign country.
28 Jul 2016, 20:27
Pablo22510 wrote:
Not for the rioters it isn't.
They are not the army nor govt.
28 Jul 2016, 20:29
Quasi-duck wrote:
They are not the army nor govt.
Yeah, so what?
The past is a foreign country.
28 Jul 2016, 20:31
Pablo22510 wrote:
Yeah, so what?
Rioters/protesters have little to no power unless they are given it.
28 Jul 2016, 20:35
Quasi-duck wrote:
Rioters/protesters have little to no power unless they are given it.