Mock Presidential Race pt. 2

Hello! Back again with another mock presidential race!

This one will share a lot of things with the first version however, this one will be a race for the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom!

Due to the rather recent resigning of David Cameron, I thought it would be a good country. Many of you suggested we should do a race for a different country! So here we go!

Same rules apply as the last race, (reference thread "Mock Presidential Race" in "off topic")

However you will be running for Prime Minister of the United Kingdom!

The following political parties in the race are the following,

PartyPolitical PositionLeader

Conservative and Unionist PartyCentre-rightDavid Cameron
Labour PartyCentre-leftJeremy Corbyn
Scottish National PartyCentre-leftNicola Sturgeon
Liberal DemocratsCentreTim Farron

Have fun! Remember candidates can respectfully debate each other!

Poll for party representatives will end July 15th!

After that, the winners of each party will move on to the PM race!

Everybody can vote, and your vote can be changed at anytime! Just remember to use that feature responsibly!

I'm your host Vex03,

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Diabolical wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Best collages in the world.. Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford,and Columbia

they are all private schools, every single one there, and they just a few, would you like me to name more?

Gosh, none of them are public schools... hmm

If you'd paid more attention to your grammar and spelling....

It's "college". Although, in a strange sense of the word, "collage" is weirdly appropriate in describing most of those institutions.

Aside from that little point, each of those universities mentioned are technically private institutions. But they operate as public institutions because they accept public funding sources. So long as they accept public funding, they must abide by certain publicly-determined government regulations. Incidentally, Harvard, for example, was actually founded as a Christian institution. But, due to interference by the federal government -- which has a say in things because of public funding -- that university can no longer be considered to be a Christian institution and the behavioral and academic teachings there reflect this.

There are many Christian colleges that actively refuse to accept public funding. Hillsdale College is one such example. The following section is excerpted from a list of the top twenty best Christian colleges as found on TheBestSchools.org. This excerpt is a listing for Hillsdale college which happens to be the top-ranked school on that list. It contains some fascinating facts and is an interesting read:

Spoiler

Hillsdale College is a private, non-sectarian, coeducational, liberal arts college. It has a long tradition of patriotism. Four hundred students (proportionally, the most of any college in the country) fought for the Union in the Civil War, four of whom gained Congressional Medals of Honor. It was first college in America to officially prohibit any discrimination based on race, religion, or gender. Hillsdale College does not accept federal or state subsidies.

The rigorous core curriculum is rooted in the enduring truths of the Western tradition. It is one of only two colleges in the nation to require all students, regardless of major, to take a class in the U.S. Constitution. In addition to the core, all students take classes on Western Heritage and American Heritage. As Hillsdale’s mission states, “Through education, the student rises to self-government.”

Through Hillsdale College’s Washington, D.C.–based Kirby Center, students may take part in the Hillsdale-Washington Internship Program (WHIP), which provides students internships in places like the White House, Congress, think tanks, and media outlets.

Conservative-leaning on-campus clubs include College Republicans, Young Americans for Freedom, Students in Free Enterprise (SIFE), Classical Liberal Organization, Fairfield Society, and Students for Life.

  • Established in 1844
  • 1,400 students
  • 1.5 hours from Detroit, 3 hours from Chicago
  • Fewer than 50% of applicants admitted
  • Average SAT score: 1980
  • Notable alumni include Arizona Cardinals offensive tackle Jared Veldheer; U.S. Representative (Indiana) E. Ross Adair; slavery-born African-American pastor and educator Jared Maurice Arter; and U.S. Representative (Michigan) Henry M. Kimball

[all emphases mine]

This is an excerpt from Hilsdale's admissions page. It shows a school that proudly rejects public interference...so much so that even public-sector student loans and grants are not accepted and not allowed. This also is an interesting read:

Spoiler

...what makes Hillsdale different from so many other colleges and universities is the source of that financial aid.

To maintain our institutional independence, we accept no state or federal funding—even indirectly in the form of student grants or loans. All of our financial aid packages are made possible by the gifts of hundreds of thousands of generous donors nationwide. Most of these supporters are neither alumni nor parents of graduates; they give because they believe in the need to teach the principles of liberty and independence that Hillsdale has taught and exemplified since its founding.

You still have to fill out a form, but many families find that our Hillsdale College Confidential Family Financial Statement (CFFS) is far simpler to fill out and less invasive than the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). We’re happy to answer any questions you may have. And we’ll work closely with you to tailor a package to fit your family’s situation.

[all emphases mine]

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Just because they accept public funds, doesnt mean they are public institutions, I presume you are saying the local corner shop, where you get your bread and milk is also public institution, because it accepts public funds?

Your love of Hillsdale proves my point, Private schools are better, and parents picking the schools, are why this is the case...


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

Just because they accept public funds, doesnt mean they are public institutions, I presume you are saying the local corner shop, where you get your bread and milk is also public institution, because it accepts public funds?
Think about it this way...if you conduct any kind of business -- regardless of size of the institution, be it giant or be it tiny -- and you accept governmental aid, then you must accept governmental interference as a condition of that aid.

As far as I'm concerned, that is as bad as a public institution and may as well be a public institution even if it is not, technically.

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Diabolical wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Just because they accept public funds, doesnt mean they are public institutions, I presume you are saying the local corner shop, where you get your bread and milk is also public institution, because it accepts public funds?
Think about it this way...if you conduct any kind of business -- regardless of size of the institution, be it giant or be it tiny -- and you accept governmental aid, then you must accept governmental interference as a condition of that aid.

As far as I'm concerned, that is as bad as a public institution and may as well be a public institution even if it is not, technically.

What type of aid are you referring to? like school vouchers?

And just so you know, that "Aid" you are talking about, that is paid for with your and your friends tax bucks..

The government is an overhead of society..


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

ITP = Norsefire Party

Vote against diabolical.

Vote against religious oppression.

Vote for freedom.

Vote for Scottish national party.

Forum Gang Premier
you are a balls

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Vote against diabolical.

Vote against religious oppression.

Vote for freedom.

Vote for Conservatives

That much much better :P

tell me, what will your party do with taxes?

what is your tax plan?


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Vote against diabolical.

Vote against religious oppression.

Vote for freedom.

Vote for Conservatives

That much much better :P

tell me, what will your party do with taxes?

what is your tax plan?

This is simple. The Scottish people will still pay taxes in the same way as before, but only to Scotland, not to the UK, so they will pay significantly less, and receive all the same services. All forms of taxes will be lowered by an equal percentage.
Forum Gang Premier
you are a balls

oceanhawk wrote:

Just because they accept public funds, doesnt mean they are public institutions, I presume you are saying the local corner shop, where you get your bread and milk is also public institution, because it accepts public funds?
That isn't funding, that is trade.

GreatbigHippo wrote:

ITP = Norsefire Party

Vote against diabolical.

Vote against religious oppression.

Vote for freedom.

Vote for Scottish national party.

Now I get the " 'V' for Vendetta" reference...

My political party would be considered a religiously oppressive party according to the interpretations of the world. But to me, only a faith in the one true God counts as "religion" and everything else is paganism. That aside, there are so many OTHER places in the world where one can practice their alternative "faith" systems...why should I have to allow them to do so in MY Empire?

And, yes, my Empire would be oppressive as the political party would be. But so what? The people living peaceably in the United Christian Imperium would have far more beneficial aspects than they receive in even the best of democracies.

For example. You don't pay taxes...ANY taxes, unless you are a citizen. That would be unfair to force taxation on those that have no representation in the government. And, their essential human rights would be guaranteed. meanwhile ,their extraneous human rights would be protected so long as they follow the peaceful rules of morality of the society. In addition to free basic education, they would also be allowed to conduct general business affairs within the Empire ALSO without taxation.

Actually, libertarians ought to love this idea. The one big deterrent to their so-called "happiness" would be the restrictions against sexual congress outside the bounds of a traditional marriage between a man and woman (or women...polygamy would be permitted so long is it does not violate specific Biblical instructions). Additionally, alcohol drinking age would be lowered to fifteen but with special limitations. However, all drug use (including Marijuana) would be prohibited with severe punishment both for doers and dealers alike.

Prostitution would be prohibited but that is in accordance with all sex being prohibited outside of the above-mentioned marriage structure. I am asking no more of anyone than I ask of myself. I willfully have chosen and remain true to my abstinence until marriage. As far as I'm concerned, fornication -- which 99% of humanity seems to practice before marriage -- is still a sin. I don't do it and no one else is going to either, in my Empire. Punishment would be swift and severe for all known violators...that would put the kibosh on "free love" and "hooking up". Also, no chemical forms of birth control would be allowed because they actually act as an abortive agent in blocking a fertilized human child/embryo from safely attaching to the mother's uterine structure. Of course, that is prohibited because ALL abortions would be prohibited.

Good luck finding a so-called "doctor" willing to perform an abortion in my Empire since the punishment for performing an abortion is twenty years hard labor in prison for EACH confirmed offense. Ring-leaders of abortion "clinics" will receive a mandatory life sentence with the possibility of parole after the maximum term of any doctor working for him or her has been scheduled to end. So, if a doctor receives 60 years for three abortions performed, the supervising leader would not be allowed to even be considered for parole until 60 years have passed.

Other medical personnel and anyone else in facilitating the abortion will face at least two years per offense. The mother who has the abortion will get five years for each abortion and if she already has children, they will be taken from her and warded to the state until her prison term is over and she has successfully completed a re-education program on how to care for and nurture children.

And don't think that the father gets off Scott-free. No, the father that willingly participates in or encourages the mother to participate in an abortion will also go to prison. And he too will get twice as much as the mother -- ten years per offense -- with his parental rights also surrendered upon the same set of conditions.

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Imperial Prison System -- The Polar Penal Colony

Spoiler

Prisons will not be what they are in many areas of the world, today. When a person commits a very serious crime, such as they would get life imprisonment and never get parole within their lifetimes, they will spend their prison sentence in the harshest of conditions with only meager means of survival in an Imperial Prison Penal Colony hidden deep in the Arctic Ocean underneath the polar ice cap. Escape will be impossible since no transport will ever dock with the colony after it's construction.

Supply drops are conducted by air and can be pulled into the underwater dock by a small grappling hook that can be manipulated from the inside. No manner of strike or bad behavior in the prison will be interceded so the possiblity of the government being "forced" to go in and rescue the prisoners will never happen. Even spare parts will be sent and air-dropped. If a prison gets "full" then another will be constructed. These will be an ultra-max secure prison system that will have a self-destruct mechanism to breach the sealed dome under which the full pressure of the ocean would destroy everything inside.

In other words, my prison system will be more remote than Alcatraz, tougher to breach than Fort Knox, and have a zero percent chance of survivable escape attempts. Roaches go in, but they don't come out. However, as a matter of compassion, daily Bible lessons and the Gospel of Christ will be piped into the facility through aquatic speakers relaying through the dome such that everyone can daily receive a chance to accept the saving grace of God that they might at least go to Heaven when they die. Who can say I am without mercy? As an additional act of mercy, there will be a sewage escape hatch that can release any waste as well as dead bodies into the depth of the sea. Escape through this hatch would mean instantaneous death for any who try it because of the immense pressures under the sea. Underwater Imperial Patrol ships and sea-bottom-mounted torpedo launchers will monitor the prisons at all hours of the day, so any submarine vehicle attempting to covertly dock with the penal colony will be destroyed without warning.

So, in my Empire -- The United Christian Imperium -- there would be no death penalty nor would one ever be needed. Because, any life prison sentences that do not carry the possibility of parole will have the worst of offenders spending the rest of their days under the sea in a dank and cold penal colony...forever doomed to die there. I believe that the capacity of the first penal colony would never be reached, so there likely would never be a need to construct more than one. As a matter of fund-raising, so long as capacity isn't nearing full, I would allow foreign nations to transfer their permanent life-sentence prisoners to Imperial custody for a steep one-time fee thus alleviating the long-term costs of maintaining super-max facilities in their lands where escape is -- theoretically -- possible. But, this revenue source would be very tiny against the total Imperial holdings that my Royal Family would use to fund the Empire.

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Diabolical wrote:

.why should I have to allow them to do so in MY Empire?
Because you were elected to sit in power for a term, not rule for ever and try restore the British Empire.

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Vote against diabolical.

Vote against religious oppression.

Vote for freedom.

Vote for Conservatives

That much much better :P

tell me, what will your party do with taxes?

what is your tax plan?

This is simple. The Scottish people will still pay taxes in the same way as before, but only to Scotland, not to the UK, so they will pay significantly less, and receive all the same services. All forms of taxes will be lowered by an equal percentage.
So you arent running on a socialist platform?

and why not make your taxes equal?


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Just because they accept public funds, doesnt mean they are public institutions, I presume you are saying the local corner shop, where you get your bread and milk is also public institution, because it accepts public funds?
That isn't funding, that is trade.
Exactly ...

If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

Quasi-duck wrote:

Diabolical wrote:

.why should I have to allow them to do so in MY Empire?
Because you were elected to sit in power for a term, not rule for ever and try restore the British Empire.

Diabolical wrote:

First, the ITP is a party that specifically sponsors my Imperial Throne. Thus, as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I must insist that I also usurp Her Majesty, the Queen and replace her family with my own as the royal line of inheritance. I may not have a certificate of pedigree, but as Emperor, my descendants will have from me the beginnings of a great royal family.

By voting for me, you are affirming that you approve of my royalty and confirm my nobility. You are affirming that you agree with me -- in principle -- that religion trumps all else in the hearts and minds of the average person. And you are affirming that my rule is necessary to enforce the religious rule of my faith in government.

My goal is to bring back the theocratic state and the superiority of the monarchy. As Prime Minister, I would also carry the title of King of Great Britain and of Northern Ireland. But I need not stop there. As Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I will seek to reestablish the British Empire under my banner, as part of The United Christian Imperium.

The first quote is answered by the second quote. I am running to rebuild the Empire...my Empire. I was up-front with this when I described the intent of my political party, the Imperial Theocratic Party (ITP).

By voting for me, you each declare and affirm your willingness to be subjugated under the righteous rule of a new and just despot -- myself -- because you recognize the nobility of my purpose and the kindhearted and compassionate manner in which I would seek to bring about a moral and just society. By voting for me, you declare once-for-all, that I should be God's representative and duly-appointed and accepted leader of this new and wonderful Empire that I'm constructing.

By voting for me, you are placing your hope and trust in a man that will promise to spend the rest of his days doing what is right for God and for men. Additionally, by voting for me, you are voting for my progeny under the assurance that each would be raised into the most noble of purpose and that any who would fail to follow the just cause and kindhearted manner in which to rule should be replaced by others in the Royal Family that have properly absorbed this special trait for which I find most important in a ruler.

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Yes, I am a good man and I would be a good ruler. They say "power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately." But I say to you that if you place ultimate power in me, I would accept it willingly and knowingly that I would not be the ultimate power because God is above me and I do His will just as I reflect His holiness. I would be humble always knowing that it is not because of my greatness that I am a great Emperor but that it is God's Spirit making me great and that I am a great Emperor because I am obedient to God and have humbled myself to His majesty.

As a despotic ruler, I would give new meaning to the term 'despot'. I would bring justice, peace, nobility, righteousness, compassion, empathy, and goodwill to the people -- all the people. Just as I have redefined the term 'diabolical' in the minds of many to mean only one of great strategy and genius -- not that of demonic genius -- so too will 'despot' no longer have any negative connotations.

If you put your trust in me, I would be a great king over you. I would be a kind and good king over you. And -- more importantly -- I would be a subject of the Kingdom of God and thus not so much as a king over you, I would be a servant to you. So, if I am Emperor, I would only be -- at most -- first among all servants in the Kingdom of God.

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Elect me to be the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and I will rebuild the British Empire and Monarchy under the banner of The United Christian Imperium as it's Emperor. But despite all appearance of arrogance, I will be your servant...a servant king. Thus, I would accept no less than this official title:

"His Excellency, the Noble, Kind, and Just Servant of God and of Man,

The Most Diabolical Emperor, Martin the Saint,

of the Throne of the United Christian Imperium

of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

Of course, that title would have to be extended (as necessary) when peoples in other lands -- jealous of how wonderful life in my Empire would be -- start begging me to include them in my Empire.

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I would also be happy to be referred to in these more common ways:

"His Excellency, the Most Diabolical Emperor, Martin the Saint,

of the Christian Empire of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

"The Most Diabolical Emperor, Martin the Saint,"

"Emperor Martin, the Saint, of the Diabolical Throne."

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And, when people address me in non-formal capacities, any of these would be fine:

"My Diabolical Emperor"

"Emperor Diabolical"

"Emperor Martin"

Or, for my friends and closest of confidants, they may address me by my first name or simply as:

"Diabolical"

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Vote ITP

Vote for the Empire

Vote for Diabolical

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Communism in theory is the superior political system, however has never worked in history due to many reasons, the largest being human greed and need for power.

Not A Communist wrote:

Communism in theory is the superior political system, however has never worked in history due to many reasons, the largest being human greed and need for power.
Im sorry, does Communism not run on greed?

Capitalism relies less on greed

And Communism isnt a superior system. In theory it should work better than it does

but even on paper, and in practice, right wing Capitalism works better and is fairer


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

Im sorry, does Communism not run on greed?
Right. As much as communism claims to be the "ideology of the people," under communism the only thing I've ever seen is... well... let's put it this way.

I will give it to communism– it does make almost everyone equal economically. It makes all the normal, non-government members POOR while making government officials and those at the top RICH. Some may argue that this lets everyone be more equal off and the government workers need their wages– others may say it is too similar to capitalism in the sense that it can make the top rich– but at least capitalism makes the other middle/lower class members significantly richer than under communism.

[Communism] Works better when you explain it.

oceanhawk wrote:

Not A Communist wrote:

Communism in theory is the superior political system, however has never worked in history due to many reasons, the largest being human greed and need for power.
Im sorry, does Communism not run on greed?

Capitalism relies less on greed

And Communism isnt a superior system. In theory it should work better than it does

but even on paper, and in practice, right wing Capitalism works better and is fairer

In all reality, the following is true both in theory and in practice:

Communism functions efficiently because of power.

Socialism functions efficiently because of guilt.

Capitalism functions efficiently because of Greed.

Since guilt and greed are found in human behavior, communism fails.

Since greed is found in human behavior, socialism fails.

Since greed is found in human behavior, capitalism succeeds.

That is because greed is the fuel of capitalism.

Capitalism is the only economic system that actually fairly exploits human greed.

Charity operates to fill in the gaps that capitalism cannot.

There is no charity in communism.

There is very little charity in socialism.

There is a good amount of charity in capitalism.

Why? Because religiously devout people are more charitable...and religiously devout people invented capitalism.

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

comrade dave wrote:

I'd vote for Diabolical solely because of the effort that post must have taken.

Well, I need your vote, then. I only have one vote for the Empire. And I voted for myself.

So, stand by your words, please. And the United Kingdom will rise to power once again!

Vote Diabolical

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Thanks to the noble efforts of my campaign manager, Caesar, I have pulled into the lead.

Remember to vote and to vote often (just not all at once).

Vote Diabolical

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

I vote for Diabolical ^^

Yee.. merry christmas everybody!

Diabolical wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Not A Communist wrote:

Communism in theory is the superior political system, however has never worked in history due to many reasons, the largest being human greed and need for power.
Im sorry, does Communism not run on greed?Capitalism relies less on greed

And Communism isnt a superior system. In theory it should work better than it does

but even on paper, and in practice, right wing Capitalism works better and is fairer

In all reality, the following is true both in theory and in practice:

Communism functions efficiently because of power.

Socialism functions efficiently because of guilt.

Capitalism functions efficiently because of Greed.

Since guilt and greed are found in human behavior, communism fails.

Since greed is found in human behavior, socialism fails.

Since greed is found in human behavior, capitalism succeeds.

That is because greed is the fuel of capitalism.

Capitalism is the only economic system that actually fairly exploits human greed.

Charity operates to fill in the gaps that capitalism cannot.

There is no charity in communism.

There is very little charity in socialism.

There is a good amount of charity in capitalism.

Why? Because religiously devout people are more charitable...and religiously devout people invented capitalism.

Yes Religious people are very charitable, like the Indulgences? Damn all that went to a good cause...

There is more Charity in Capitalism, because people are better off, not because of Religion. People starve in Cuba, and they are a very Religious nation. But socialist, if they were Capitalist, the poor wouldnt be better off cos of chairty, they would be better off cos of free enterprise..


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

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