Mock Presidential Race pt. 2

Hello! Back again with another mock presidential race!

This one will share a lot of things with the first version however, this one will be a race for the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom!

Due to the rather recent resigning of David Cameron, I thought it would be a good country. Many of you suggested we should do a race for a different country! So here we go!

Same rules apply as the last race, (reference thread "Mock Presidential Race" in "off topic")

However you will be running for Prime Minister of the United Kingdom!

The following political parties in the race are the following,

PartyPolitical PositionLeader

Conservative and Unionist PartyCentre-rightDavid Cameron
Labour PartyCentre-leftJeremy Corbyn
Scottish National PartyCentre-leftNicola Sturgeon
Liberal DemocratsCentreTim Farron

Have fun! Remember candidates can respectfully debate each other!

Poll for party representatives will end July 15th!

After that, the winners of each party will move on to the PM race!

Everybody can vote, and your vote can be changed at anytime! Just remember to use that feature responsibly!

I'm your host Vex03,

  • Let's get RIOOOGHHTT into the debates! :P

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Diabolical wrote:

There is no charity in communism.

oceanhawk wrote:

Yes Religious people are very charitable, like the Indulgences? Damn all that went to a good cause...

There is more Charity in Capitalism, because people are better off, not because of Religion. People starve in Cuba, and they are a very Religious nation. But socialist, if they were Capitalist, the poor wouldnt be better off cos of chairty, they would be better off cos of free enterprise..

As I said in the first quote, there is no charity in communism. Since communism makes everyone equally poor, there is nothing to share. So, no matter how many Christians there are in a communist society, even if they give all they have, it will not amount to a hill of beans. Cuba is a perfect example. The Castro's robbed the island of any wealth they could plunder under the guise of communism. The people -- operating in the communist system -- have had their ability to generate wealth virtually destroyed by oppression. Sure, there are some devout Catholics there. But they have other problems that hinder everything about them, so -- as I said -- there's too little to share. To be fair, the Christians there probably are willing to share what meager amounts they have.

As for indulgences, those are/were an abomination conducted by [occasionally well-meaning] rote priests that barely understood even their own faith. The papacy of that time (when indulgences became common) was so corrupt that they drove thoughtful and honest priests to seek to put the Word of God into the hands of the masses. Martin Luther was one such man who opposed many of the practices of the Church. He and others like him basically founded the whole protestant movement to break away from a corrupt, centralized and bloated, and wrongly-dogmatic religious order.

Fortunately, the Catholic Church is not the only part of the Church of Christ...even in that time, there were large remnants of faithful Christians -- many of whom too ignorant to understand the errors in their religious practices -- who would scarcely be able to be called Catholic. Their hearts were with God and that was all they could understand.

As with the religious teachers of Jesus' day, the Catholic Church leadership was rife with corruption when it called for indulgences and the Inquisition. At least, though, with the Inquisition, many who were a part of it were only seeking to purify the faithful to weed out disbelief. Unfortunately, this included slaughtering people and torturing them to get them to "confess" to false religion. Even the Jews were treated miserably due to the long history of wanton ignorance in the Church.

In the history of the Church, the inquisition is probably our darkest historical wrong. Other wrongs are debatable. I know that the crusades are not considered good by many people, today. I for one do not agree with that assessment. Indeed, there were errors committed during the crusades. But the Crusades were a noble event in and of themselves, and many of the people participating were good Christian soldiers fighting for God and King against the "heathens".

Also, the Crusades were a series of national wars between nations, not individual and interpersonal interactions. So the commands of Jesus to the Church to spread the Gospel and minister to others was not fully applicable. With the Inquisition, individuals violated this teaching with the persecution of others. But, with the Crusades, whole nations acted according to the attributes that God gives to political leaders. Thus, as soldiers acting on behalf of their nations, the Christians participating were justified in their fight against others. This is a distinction that I make between individuals and societies. I'm not certain of this, but I believe that some of the Crusaders were good and kind people (probably priests) who did attempt to spread the Gospel when they could. That is something I would do in the situation.

If some of what I'm writing in this post seems not too coherent, know that I'm up way past my bedtime and am very tired. Probably, I'll re-read this post tomorrow and wind up editing out chunks and fixing chunks. But overall, it is fairly true to what I believe and teach. The fact, though, that I'm typing this paragraph (and will leave it in for now) is testament to my lack of complete clarity of mind. I wonder what I would be like if I were a drinking man. lol, the posts would get funny then. And pot, well, then I'd probably be typing stupid stuff like Wacka wacka wacka and then laughing at my own words until I peed in the chair.

Yeah, I'm pretty tired now. God help me if I ever get drunk or stoned.

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Diabolical wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty tired now. God help me if I ever get drunk or stoned.
This is exactly what I did last night! I wrote out something of an essay on another forum and it was incomprehensible!

True charitable capitalism is when the government does not socialise charity. That is to say, the government does not raise taxes in order to form 'welfare' plans which both cost hard-working citizens money and are not the best solution for the basic needs of the poor. The poor, given direct money, will be wise with it. If they get the money from charity and it is actual, physical money [or credit], they will not spend it unwisely. But if the government raises taxes to pay for what it deems 'necessary' for each individual, which doesn't exactly line up with what the individual wants or needs, that is a bad situation.

The religious people in Cuba can not give to charity because a.) there is no charity (at least not religious ones), and b.) they have not much to give. Irreligious people in the United States can give to charity because a.) there is a freedom of religion, and many atheists believe in helping the poor (though this does not mean they are saved) and b.) they have enough money to give.

@Diabolical I'm not quite sure if what you say in this thread is a half-joke as if there were no other religion than the True Religion (in our nation), or if you believe in religious freedom, or some of your philosophies... If you are not joking I think I underestimated the disagreements between us. But that is okay– I truly think no-one has found the perfect form of Christianity, mainly because if we had, we would have no need for Jesus (since we would no sin)... which is impossible.

Diabolical wrote:

Diabolical wrote:

There is no charity in communism.

oceanhawk wrote:

Yes Religious people are very charitable, like the Indulgences? Damn all that went to a good cause...

There is more Charity in Capitalism, because people are better off, not because of Religion. People starve in Cuba, and they are a very Religious nation. But socialist, if they were Capitalist, the poor wouldnt be better off cos of chairty, they would be better off cos of free enterprise..

As I said in the first quote, there is no charity in communism. Since communism makes everyone equally poor, there is nothing to share. So, no matter how many Christians there are in a communist society, even if they give all they have, it will not amount to a hill of beans. Cuba is a perfect example. The Castro's robbed the island of any wealth they could plunder under the guise of communism. The people -- operating in the communist system -- have had their ability to generate wealth virtually destroyed by oppression. Sure, there are some devout Catholics there. But they have other problems that hinder everything about them, so -- as I said -- there's too little to share. To be fair, the Christians there probably are willing to share what meager amounts they have.

As for indulgences, those are/were an abomination conducted by [occasionally well-meaning] rote priests that barely understood even their own faith. The papacy of that time (when indulgences became common) was so corrupt that they drove thoughtful and honest priests to seek to put the Word of God into the hands of the masses. Martin Luther was one such man who opposed many of the practices of the Church. He and others like him basically founded the whole protestant movement to break away from a corrupt, centralized and bloated, and wrongly-dogmatic religious order.

Fortunately, the Catholic Church is not the only part of the Church of Christ...even in that time, there were large remnants of faithful Christians -- many of whom too ignorant to understand the errors in their religious practices -- who would scarcely be able to be called Catholic. Their hearts were with God and that was all they could understand.

As with the religious teachers of Jesus' day, the Catholic Church leadership was rife with corruption when it called for indulgences and the Inquisition. At least, though, with the Inquisition, many who were a part of it were only seeking to purify the faithful to weed out disbelief. Unfortunately, this included slaughtering people and torturing them to get them to "confess" to false religion. Even the Jews were treated miserably due to the long history of wanton ignorance in the Church.

In the history of the Church, the inquisition is probably our darkest historical wrong. Other wrongs are debatable. I know that the crusades are not considered good by many people, today. I for one do not agree with that assessment. Indeed, there were errors committed during the crusades. But the Crusades were a noble event in and of themselves, and many of the people participating were good Christian soldiers fighting for God and King against the "heathens".

Also, the Crusades were a series of national wars between nations, not individual and interpersonal interactions. So the commands of Jesus to the Church to spread the Gospel and minister to others was not fully applicable. With the Inquisition, individuals violated this teaching with the persecution of others. But, with the Crusades, whole nations acted according to the attributes that God gives to political leaders. Thus, as soldiers acting on behalf of their nations, the Christians participating were justified in their fight against others. This is a distinction that I make between individuals and societies. I'm not certain of this, but I believe that some of the Crusaders were good and kind people (probably priests) who did attempt to spread the Gospel when they could. That is something I would do in the situation.

If some of what I'm writing in this post seems not too coherent, know that I'm up way past my bedtime and am very tired. Probably, I'll re-read this post tomorrow and wind up editing out chunks and fixing chunks. But overall, it is fairly true to what I believe and teach. The fact, though, that I'm typing this paragraph (and will leave it in for now) is testament to my lack of complete clarity of mind. I wonder what I would be like if I were a drinking man. lol, the posts would get funny then. And pot, well, then I'd probably be typing stupid stuff like Wacka wacka wacka and then laughing at my own words until I peed in the chair.

Yeah, I'm pretty tired now. God help me if I ever get drunk or stoned.

So just type a bunch of random off topic stuff haha

well, kinda read the whole yolk. Point is, I think Charity is short term, the rest is long term..


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

wow, this thread is popular, all of mine are like this --> :tumbleweed:

Voted for Diabolical as he's the only fellow Christian running.

Wow. Diabolical bringing in the major votes! Ocean hawk had a steady 3-4 vote lead, however it has quickly been crushed by Diabolicals 12. Crazy stuff, we still have until August 15th until elections end!

I'm amazed at the popularity of this thread!

Keep it up candidates! It's not too late to sway voters!

Make America Great Again.
#Trump2016

oceanhawk wrote:

Yes Religious people are very charitable, like the Indulgences? Damn all that went to a good cause...
Hahahaha!

One Pope, can't remember which, liked to hire prostitutes who would forage one his floor naked for chestnuts. Helping the poor? I don't know.

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Yes Religious people are very charitable, like the Indulgences? Damn all that went to a good cause...
Hahahaha!

One Pope, can't remember which, liked to hire prostitutes who would forage one his floor naked for chestnuts. Helping the poor? I don't know

Haha, and dont forget the rest of the abuses closer to home :P

"Had a joke, but go pm"


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

It is indeed impossible for any person and all people to be flawless morally. What is your point?

purplepizza117 wrote:

It is indeed impossible for any person and all people to be flawless morally. What is your point?
He's the Pope. And Ocean is referencing Catholic priests and kids.

Not A Communist wrote:

Voted for Diabolical as he's the only fellow Christian running.
LIES! I am also a "fellow Christian". I just understand that it is not smart to base your platform off of extremist religious beliefs, though basing it off of universal christian values is alright.

Vote for me.

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you are a balls

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Not A Communist wrote:

Voted for Diabolical as he's the only fellow Christian running.
LIES! I am also a "fellow Christian". I just understand that it is not smart to base your platform off of extremist religious beliefs, though basing it off of universal christian values is alright.

Vote for me.

I am a Christian...born[-again] and raised (pardon the cute little pun). Anyway, I am a devout believer in God. I'm a believer in the Great Commission. All those who've become baptized in the Spirit are tasked with spreading the Gospel of Christ to every nation, tribe, and tongue. That is the individual charge for the people of the Church of God.

At the same time, I believe that God grants a different authority to nations...to punish evil-doers, to promote security, to lead a nation -- hopefully in a just and noble way. As a Christian, my morals are led by my faith. As such, were I a real world leader, that would steer my judgement in national decisions. If I were a leader, I would back a totalitarian Christian government because -- as the leader -- I would be charged by God with the RIGHT to do so...not that I would be required to do so.

I would choose to lead a Christian government because it would benefit everyone under my authority, even those who don't share my beliefs. Because right and righteous living -- even if one refuses to accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ -- will lead to happier people and a more fair and just society with healthier and safer standards of living and greater wealth for all. That's what I would work for.

Sure, you can't eliminate all crime. Sure, you can't just lock up people because they might have a bad attitude. But you can at least try to make the world a better place. And for me, as a political leader, that would be via those "extremist religious beliefs". But, even if I were a real world leader, my faith would still come first and thus, as a Christian, my concern would be for people's souls and their relationship with God. That is why my government would be a theologically-grounded imperial regime. It is efficient, it removes the possibility of bad seeds from causing holes in a good system, and it actually can promote prosperity for all.

Because of the nature of an imperial form of leadership (very top-down oriented), the concept of trickle down economics would be replaced with waterfall economics as wealth would poor down the tiers in a far greater abundance than the good President Ronald Reagan ever envisioned would be possible. Mr. Reagan was a Democrat for much of his life and thus he never was able to graduate far beyond basic Republicanism. But, had he lived to this day, even he might have agreed with what I espouse -- at least in principle -- that an imperial theocracy would bring guarantee great wealth for everyone.

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

Diabolical wrote:

Thanks to the noble efforts of my campaign manager, Caesar, I have pulled into the lead.

Remember to vote and to vote often (just not all at once).

Congratulations for the victory.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

Diabolical wrote:

to punish evil-doers
A lot of Middle Eastern nations try to do this for Islam. As a result, they are looked upon with disgust by a lot of westerners.

Have you heard of a place called "Chop Chop Square"?

Caesar wrote:

Diabolical wrote:

Thanks to the noble efforts of my campaign manager, Caesar, I have pulled into the lead.

Remember to vote and to vote often (just not all at once).

Congratulations for the victory.
Hahaha, if Caesar is the campaign manager, this will get interesting :P

If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

Caesar wrote:

Diabolical wrote:

Thanks to the noble efforts of my campaign manager, Caesar, I have pulled into the lead.

Remember to vote and to vote often (just not all at once).

Congratulations for the victory.
Hahaha, if Caesar is the campaign manager, this will get interesting :P
Interesting? More like painfully boring.

Not A Communist wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Caesar wrote:

Diabolical wrote:

Thanks to the noble efforts of my campaign manager, Caesar, I have pulled into the lead.

Remember to vote and to vote often (just not all at once).

Congratulations for the victory.
Hahaha, if Caesar is the campaign manager, this will get interesting :P
Interesting? More like painfully boring.
It is your opinion.

I have decided to run. I am part of the Conservative and Unionist Party and hope to bring equality, jobs, free everything, and improve public infrastructure (screw that private stuff, like your driveway).

Though my main goal, is to try and stop the cavalry.

I've been fighting almost every night throughout the centuries, so have plenty of experience in military matters.

I know Jim and Luzar were bombed while having tea, so I will try and get more funds towards the NHS to help people recover quicker, especially armed services veterans.

I also propose to erect dance halls across the country. I want to be dancing in the arms of Mary Bradley, the girl I love, but she is downright awful, as are many other of our so-called "dancers". I wish to correct this.

And before anyway says it, no, I have not based my campaign off of the lyrics of one of Jona Lewie's songs.

Quasi-duck wrote:

I have decided to run. I am part of the Conservative and Unionist Party and hope to bring equality, jobs, free everything, and improve public infrastructure (screw that private stuff, like your driveway).

Though my main goal, is to try and stop the cavalry.

I've been fighting almost every night throughout the centuries, so have plenty of experience in military matters.

I know Jim and Luzar were bombed while having tea, so I will try and get more funds towards the NHS to help people recover quicker, especially armed services veterans.

I also propose to erect dance halls across the country. I want to be dancing in the arms of Mary Bradley, the girl I love, but she is downright awful, as are many other of our so-called "dancers". I wish to correct this.

And before anyway says it, no, I have not based my campaign off of the lyrics of one of Jona Lewie's songs.

Correct.

Quasi-duck wrote:

I have decided to run. I am part of the Conservative and Unionist Party and hope to bring equality, jobs, free everything, and improve public infrastructure (screw that private stuff, like your driveway).

Though my main goal, is to try and stop the cavalry.

..

I also propose to erect dance halls across the country.

This usurper would bring "free everything"....well, just who's going to pay for it, the peoples of Isla Island? And just what cavalry are you talking about, hm? My forces are rolling along towards Quasi's capital on gigantic treads, are they still using horses?

Quasi-duck's secret identity has been revealed. According to reports uncovered by my Imperial agents, he is actually the "Dancing Dictator of Death!"

Spoiler

It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3

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