Mock Presidential Race pt. 2

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

eepers, you are lost

he is refering to classic liberalism, which is basicaly conservatism....

jeine mac and chesse you cannot be serious ::smacks face::

YES! BUT IT'S STILL LIBERALISM!

oceanhawk wrote:

Now, what is the most free ideal?

LIBERTARIANISM!

LIBERALISM AND LIBERTARIANISM ARE NEARLY THE SAME THING!

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

eepers, you are lost

he is refering to classic liberalism, which is basicaly conservatism....

jeine mac and chesse you cannot be serious ::smacks face::

YES! BUT IT'S STILL LIBERALISM!

oceanhawk wrote:

Now, what is the most free ideal?

LIBERTARIANISM!

LIBERALISM AND LIBERTARIANISM ARE NEARLY THE SAME THING!

and the liberals trying to push for univeral healthcare, all along they want the same thing?

Do you know what Libertarainism is? and what Liberalism is today?

oceanhawk wrote:

haha, so the libertarians that oppose the government programs such as medicare

and the liberals trying to push for univeral healthcare, all along they want the same thing?

Do you know what Libertarainism is? and what Liberalism is today?

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

haha, so the libertarians that oppose the government programs such as medicare

and the liberals trying to push for univeral healthcare, all along they want the same thing?

Do you know what Libertarainism is? and what Liberalism is today?

Dude, dude. Liberalism, at least here in Spain, is the phase just before libertarianism. But libertarianism is NOT extreme right. And liberalism is only a left policy. It's also on the right. I am not going to answer any more because it is pointless arguing over this with you.

okay that great, think that sums it up now...

oceanhawk wrote:

okay that great, think that sums it up now...

New campaign: Anyone But Ocean. Hashtag it, boi.

oceanhawk wrote:

So the government only providing Defense, law enforcement and courts are not extreme right

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

So the government only providing Defense, law enforcement and courts are not extreme right

Dude, will you please explain me how that is extreme right? Hitler=extreme right, didn't do that. Franco, same. Pinochet, same. Mussolini, same. Tojo and Hirohito, same.

Facism can really be placed on either side of the scale, but usually is left out as it is very mix and match. I think this graph has it further right than libertarianism do.

But views on social views vary from party to party, rather than right or left. But traditionally liberals and libertatarians both share the same views, pro choice, pro gay marriage, but libertarians will aruge that it aint the governments decision in this matter. See social views can vary from side to side, but that shouldnt be a reason to mix up the positions.

Im not actually 100% sure on the tradional communist views on gay marriage and abortion, but I think they may be anti but I stand to be corrected on that..

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

So the government only providing Defense, law enforcement and courts are not extreme right

Dude, will you please explain me how that is extreme right? Hitler=extreme right, didn't do that. Franco, same. Pinochet, same. Mussolini, same. Tojo and Hirohito, same.

haha there we go, that is forms of government, but mere policitical thought looks like this

Facism can really be placed on either side of the scale, but usually is left out as it is very mix and match. I think this graph has it further right than libertarianism do.

But views on social views vary from party to party, rather than right or left. But traditionally liberals and libertatarians both share the same views, pro choice, pro gay marriage, but libertarians will aruge that it aint the governments decision in this matter. See social views can vary from side to side, but that shouldnt be a reason to mix up the positions.

Im not actually 100% sure on the tradional communist views on gay marriage and abortion, but I think they may be anti but I stand to be corrected on that..

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

So the government only providing Defense, law enforcement and courts are not extreme right

Dude, will you please explain me how that is extreme right? Hitler=extreme right, didn't do that. Franco, same. Pinochet, same. Mussolini, same. Tojo and Hirohito, same.

haha there we go, that is forms of government, but mere policitical thought looks like this

Facism can really be placed on either side of the scale, but usually is left out as it is very mix and match. I think this graph has it further right than libertarianism do.

But views on social views vary from party to party, rather than right or left. But traditionally liberals and libertatarians both share the same views, pro choice, pro gay marriage, but libertarians will aruge that it aint the governments decision in this matter. See social views can vary from side to side, but that shouldnt be a reason to mix up the positions.

Im not actually 100% sure on the tradional communist views on gay marriage and abortion, but I think they may be anti but I stand to be corrected on that..

Look at the attachment. Pretty easy to find out to find out what it is, right? Liberalism, at least here in Spain, is a thing on the centre-right.

Dude, it's very easy to figure out what each is. Anyway, we shoudln't be arguing over this, as our political ideology is roughly the same.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Dude, it's very easy to figure out what each is. Anyway, we shoudln't be arguing over this, as our political ideology is roughly the same.

anyway, back on track

Oceans 4 fast track plan, for employment

1. Move to the Pro-Growth, Job-Creating New Flat Tax.The New Flat Tax will encourage economic growth, investment, and job creation, improve federal finances through growth-generated revenues without tax increases, strengthen the economy against future economic shocks, and improve American competitiveness in the global economy
2. Grant More Free Trade Agreements As a general proposition, whenever businesses in the United Kingdom can produce a useful product at a lower relative cost than businesses in another country, and the businesses in that country can produce a different product at a lower relative cost than can businesses in the United Kingdom, the economies of both the United Kingdom and that country would benefit if their businesses trade those products between them. But as a practical matter, governments often impose taxes on that trade, known as tariffs, or erect non-tariff barriers to trade, such as unnecessarily complex importation procedures or limitations.
3. Cut Overregulation of the Economy.Massive government regulations operate as a hidden charge on the economy, often requiring businesses to divert money from job-creating investment into paying for the costs of implementing regulations that are pointless
4. Cut The Min wage

This is our fast plan to get our employment rising

#AnyoneButOcean

This monster hates the poor, and wants to kick them in the dirt! Why else would he cut an already low minimum wage? Besides, he ain't that bright! Can't even spell "cheese" right!

Quasi-duck wrote:

#AnyoneButOcean

This monster hates the poor, and wants to kick them in the dirt! Why else would he cut an already low minimum wage? Besides, he ain't that bright! Can't even spell "cheese" right!

oceanhawk wrote:

It says it all, if you think the min wage actually helps the poor, you defo have the brains of a turkey

Look folks, can't even come up with his own jabs! He has to use mine! I doubt he even knows what it means!

A question for Mr. Ocean, how big is a domesticated turkey's brain?

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

It says it all, if you think the min wage actually helps the poor, you defo have the brains of a turkey

#AnyoneButOcean

Look folks, can't even come up with his own jabs! He has to use mine! I doubt he even knows what it means!

A question for Mr. Ocean, how big is a domesticated turkey's brain?

haha

Min wage hurts the poor a lot, and you must be loco to think otherwise

oceanhawk wrote:

A domesticated turkey's brain, is approximately double the size of yours

haha

Look folks, fails to understand his comment and what it meant! Probably because he copied it off meeeeee! The correct answer is about the size of an eraser.

oceanhawk wrote:

Min wage hurts the poor a lot, and you must be loco to think otherwise

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

A domesticated turkey's brain, is approximately double the size of yours

haha

#AnyoneButOcean

Look folks, fails to understand his comment and what it meant! Probably because he copied it off meeeeee! The correct answer is about the size of an eraser.

oceanhawk wrote:

Min wage hurts the poor a lot, and you must be loco to think otherwise

Look folks, he is quite the silly-billy! He thinks giving poor people money his bad! For shame!

And according to a recent study, the min wage doesnt help people get out of poverty

Tell me one reason how the min wage helps people pls?

cos right now, it just helps very few people, and the people it helps are not the poor

oceanhawk wrote:

okay, well firstly when you up min wage prices go up, businesses move and people get fired.

And according to a recent study, the min wage doesnt help people get out of poverty

Tell me one reason how the min wage helps people pls?

cos right now, it just helps very few people, and the people it helps are not the poor

Look folks, arguing with a random commentator instead of other candidates! He wants to take away your already measly wages! How will you live?

Pablo22510 wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

So the government only providing Defense, law enforcement and courts are not extreme right

Dude, will you please explain me how that is extreme right? Hitler=extreme right, didn't do that. Franco, same. Pinochet, same. Mussolini, same. Tojo and Hirohito, same.

From a social conservative point of view, Hitler and Mussolini were leftest liberals. Economic positions must take a back seat to social positions. For without a conservative social system to keep society from collapsing into wicked chaos, no amount of economic conservatism can overcome corrupt operators of the economic system. If you have very liberal social mores, then theft will be considered little more than a nuisance and thus economics becomes barbaric.

This is why economic ideologies ALWAYS follow social ideologies. When America had a conservative social set of ideologies, it's economic decisions -- governed by moral and ethical people -- remained conservative. But, when America liberalized it's social set of ideologies, it's economic decisions -- governed then by amoral and unethical people -- became liberalized.

Theft is the greatest of problems in a corrupt economy. There are thefts of services, thefts of time, thefts by embezzlement, thefts by larceny, thefts of other people's hard earned money through redistribution of taxed wealth, thefts by intentional and/or unintentional misappropriations, theft of production and output because of bureaucratic regulations (red tape) and environmental hindrances (blocks by the church of atheistic evolutionism), thefts of productivity by tort, ... it goes on and on.

And it is because of all these thefts by corrupt individuals that the great President Ronald Reagan's genius economic proposals -- sound though they were -- in spite of tremendous success in the 1980's -- still faced difficulties...and, that, because its [derisively so-called] "trickle-down" economic principles didn't enrich the lowest tiers of the market by quite as much as it was designed to do...all because of theft. And -- rather than blaming that loss of value on the true culprit -- theft -- the liberals in Congress fought to add further thieving red tape hindrences to the economic systems, thus causing even more damage.

After the post-Reagan economic decline was reversed by the conservative Congress which was led by Representative Majority Leader Newt Gingrich, the liberals again tried to fight against the social conservative's way of doing things. And so we had the tech bubble burst followed by the burst of the real estate bubble (both because of the principles of theft) -- and the economy again began a serious downturn. When George W. Bush tried to reverse the Clinton decline, the economy once again picked back up. And so the conservatives in Congress were working fairly well. The wars against the Taliban and Saddam Hussein were going well and the military economic sectors were further pushing an already-booming Bush economy.

But, the wars dragged on, and the impatient social liberals (because of their thieving desires of instant gratification) got agitated (again, like the hippies of the '60's) and started rabble-rousing (again, as people of low morals often do). And so the American voting public was swayed once again by the evil and antagonistic, anti-war crowd. So the liberals took power back in Congress in 2006. And the very first thing they did was to institute massive redistribution increases which transformed a moderate and declining national debt into a fast-growing death spiral backed by a higher-tax-driven economic downturn.

Then, of course, the liberals pointed fingers at the so-called "uncooperative" Republicans in Congress and the White House for the "great recession" and convinced the American voting public to elect an inexperienced uber-liberal in the form of Mr. Barack Hussein Obama: a man who, with the liberal Congress, pushed through the biggest spending increases in the history of our country and who almost tripled our national debt.

And the people elected this terrible choice of a President only because half of him was "not white"...a principle that totally violated Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech where he sought that all people would be judged by the content of their character rather than by their color. But, as usual, today's liberals only want to divide the American society by color (and other arbitrary differences) and they viscerally hate to be judged by the content of THEIR character because liberals have very poor character. Today, Dr. Martin Luther King would have been an Independent and he would have scolded both the Democrats AND the Republicans for their poor decision-making.

Oh how terrible it has been that the greatest hero of darker-hued people was shot to death before seeing the right path to true equality implemented. Since then, his noble ideologies were usurped by pretenders to the throne in the form of the fake "Reverend" Al Sharpton (another thieving crook) and the fake "Reverend" Jesse Jackson...two people that have totally strayed from the course of the righteous.

Quasi-duck wrote:

#AnyoneButOcean

Look folks, fails to understand his comment and what it meant! Probably because he copied it off meeeeee! The correct answer is about the size of an eraser.

Erasers come in many sizes...so that's not a very helpful comparison.

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

okay, well firstly when you up min wage prices go up, businesses move and people get fired.

And according to a recent study, the min wage doesnt help people get out of poverty

Tell me one reason how the min wage helps people pls?

cos right now, it just helps very few people, and the people it helps are not the poor

#AnyoneButOcean

Look folks, arguing with a random commentator instead of other candidates! He wants to take away your already measly wages! How will you live?

When you get pushed out of the job market because of minimum wage increases, you make zero money. And zero is less than minimum wage. Therefore, minimum wage hurts the poor.

It has hurt me. It has hurt others. It can and will hurt you.

The minimum wage must be stopped.

Diabolical wrote:

When you get pushed out of the job market because of minimum wage increases, you make zero money. And zero is less than minimum wage. Therefore, minimum wage hurts the poor.

It has hurt me. It has hurt others. It can and will hurt you.

The minimum wage must be stopped.