I shall be keeping the healthcare syste, but it isnt free handouts but an insurance you get when you have a job in germany to keep the workers healthy
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I shall be keeping the healthcare syste, but it isnt free handouts but an insurance you get when you have a job in germany to keep the workers healthy
time to lobbyEllio_98 wrote:
I shall be keeping the healthcare syste, but it isnt free handouts but an insurance you get when you have a job in germany to keep the workers healthy
abandon the public healthcare, deregulate, and lower taxes.. and you will have a huge endorsement...

We could probably set up a system where food didn't have any regulation whatsoever (e.g. you don't check where it's stored or the food's quality) and it would probably be cheaper. But we don't do that. We set up a Food and Drug Administration to protect consumers. That isn't being against free markets. That's just plain common sense.oceanhawk wrote:
Every ones favorite case, hahacompare that to the 100s of drugs the FDA have banned..
the cases are just dishearting, I dont even want to look them up again, as it is actually really sad..
Google, life saving drugs, banned by FDA... it just will break your heart the reports..
He wont build a wall, how can he? think about it..
Increase military budget, I am fine with.. One of the few things, I am happy with the government spending money on..
and just back on the FDA stuff, do you have any idea, that soo many drugs dont actually sell in America because of the FDA.. not the regulation, the COSTS! It actually costs a lot of money to get your drugs approved
how can you support the free market, and not support the fundamental principles of it?
@Ellio_98 you defo dont wanna support free market healthcare?
Cos right now, Im lacking belief in Pablo
Sorry mate, but you seem very leftest.. just calling yourself a capitalist
(@'Quasi-duck' I know you brain washed him into becoming a leftest, but you kinda did a half ass job lol, he is calling himself a libertarian, but his polices are against the core Ideals of free markets lol
And this is what I don't understand. America has one of the biggest deficits EVER, and you want to increase military budget? That's just stupid.
About the wall. Of course he can't build a wall, that's why you shouldn't vote for him! He lies through his goddamn teeth!
And I don't agree about it costing a lot of money to get your drugs approved. That's just stupid. So the FDA needs reforms. Yes. But it is vital to protect consumers.
'Very leftest'. Well, tbh, I doubt a Communist or pretty much anyone on the left would think the same. Reducing the government to a minimum, having free markets and flat income tax rates doesn't sound very leftest to me.
Oh, and btw, I know what is happening to you. For some reason I cannot fathom, you are copying Friedman's beliefs and putting them into your program. That's ok, but that's not what a truly intelligent person would do. A truly intelligent person would read Friedman's book, agree with most of it, disagree with some of it, and take away the good bits. I think that what's happened to you is that you call leftest to whomever doesn't agree with Friedman 100%. And that's just wrong.
Btw, even bloody Hong Kong has a food and drug administration for controls on products.
K, You have a leftest.. @Quasi-duck you have pablo turned...Pablo22510 wrote:
We could probably set up a system where food didn't have any regulation whatsoever (e.g. you don't check where it's stored or the food's quality) and it would probably be cheaper. But we don't do that. We set up a Food and Drug Administration to protect consumers. That isn't being against free markets. That's just plain common sense.oceanhawk wrote:
Every ones favorite case, hahacompare that to the 100s of drugs the FDA have banned..
the cases are just dishearting, I dont even want to look them up again, as it is actually really sad..
Google, life saving drugs, banned by FDA... it just will break your heart the reports..
He wont build a wall, how can he? think about it..
Increase military budget, I am fine with.. One of the few things, I am happy with the government spending money on..
and just back on the FDA stuff, do you have any idea, that soo many drugs dont actually sell in America because of the FDA.. not the regulation, the COSTS! It actually costs a lot of money to get your drugs approved
how can you support the free market, and not support the fundamental principles of it?
@Ellio_98 you defo dont wanna support free market healthcare?
Cos right now, Im lacking belief in Pablo
Sorry mate, but you seem very leftest.. just calling yourself a capitalist
(@'Quasi-duck' I know you brain washed him into becoming a leftest, but you kinda did a half ass job lol, he is calling himself a libertarian, but his polices are against the core Ideals of free markets lol
And this is what I don't understand. America has one of the biggest deficits EVER, and you want to increase military budget? That's just stupid.
About the wall. Of course he can't build a wall, that's why you shouldn't vote for him! He lies through his goddamn teeth!
And I don't agree about it costing a lot of money to get your drugs approved. That's just stupid. So the FDA needs reforms. Yes. But it is vital to protect consumers.
'Very leftest'. Well, tbh, I doubt a Communist or pretty much anyone on the left would think the same. Reducing the government to a minimum, having free markets and flat income tax rates doesn't sound very leftest to me.
Oh, and btw, I know what is happening to you. For some reason I cannot fathom, you are copying Friedman's beliefs and putting them into your program. That's ok, but that's not what a truly intelligent person would do. A truly intelligent person would read Friedman's book, agree with most of it, disagree with some of it, and take away the good bits. I think that what's happened to you is that you call leftest to whomever doesn't agree with Friedman 100%. And that's just wrong.
Btw, even bloody Hong Kong has a food and drug administration for controls on products.
Id say he is secretly your running mate?
Let me ask you this, do you really think that just because the government give it the good seal.. its all g?
just because a few bureaucrats, say we need to regulate drugs,, doesnt mean they need to be
I dont care if food is regulated or not, because it being regulated isnt costing lives,
where as the regulation of Medicine is costing lots and lots of lives.
Again, he might try build a wall, but he will never get it built....
I would vote for him, because I dont want hillary in the white house.. It could be another 4 years of Obama.. only worse ( if that is even possible)
FDA needs to go.. it is counter productive, the government doesnt protect the consumer, business do. Do you really think a doctor would dispense bad drugs? NO, COS HE IS YOUR FLIPPING DOCTOR OR COS IT WOULD BE BAD FOR BUSINESS!
You say you want free markets.. but continue to want the government to be invovled.. regulating
you a just a leftest in a cloak, trying to manipulate the free market conservatives..
And, I disagree with Friedman a lot, and I actually do take the good, dont think you have heard me mention his envorment tax ideas? cos I hate them, and they have actually failed here in Ireland...
plus stuff like a permanment level of unemployment, and any efforts to reduce it further causes inflantion... well I havent really decided on it..
Meanwhile pablo, you are just pure leftest, sorry mate. But you wanting more regulation, or the leftest liberals like Obama..
you dont seem to represent free enterprise what so ever
You even have support trade tariffs before
I dont want to vote for a leftest, but at least with Ellio, I do know what I am getting,
I havent voted yet, but I cant vote for a leftest, especially one that claims to support free markets

Currently, Ellio of the AFD party is in the lead with 5 votes ! He shot up from 3rd to a 2 vote lead for first. Oceanhawk has also showed support for the candidate, which we believe may of contributed to his campaign.
Quasi-Duck of the leftist party is in second with 3 votes. He has been sitting at 3 votes (tied for first twice, now in second place) consistently for days now.
Pablo, who once was tied for the lead, has dropped off to 2 votes. British Prime Minister Oceanhawk has been questioning Pablo's policies, which may have cost him a few votes. Accusations are being made that Pablo supports the leftist parties.
What would you do for/against a monopoly or cartels?
Would you rather stand for perfect or for imperfect competition?
Legalise drugs! Let the truckers truck on meth, and the people in constant pain 420 blaze it! Let the woman in the Pascha do all the cocaine they like! Let those who can't rest enter the k-hole with ketamine!nemuritor98_ wrote:
What would you do for/against cartels?
Hell, give the cartels govt. grants to get some nice big ships.
Cartels are not just for drugs.Quasi-duck wrote:
Legalise drugs! Let the truckers truck on meth, and the people in constant pain 420 blaze it! Let the woman in the Pascha do all the cocaine they like! Let those who can't rest enter the k-hole with ketamine!Hell, give the cartels govt. grants to get some nice big ships.
I assumed you meant drug cartels. If you mean companies that do things like Martin Shkreli, well, I propose laws against.nemuritor98_ wrote:
Cartels are not just for drugs.Quasi-duck wrote:
Legalise drugs! Let the truckers truck on meth, and the people in constant pain 420 blaze it! Let the woman in the Pascha do all the cocaine they like! Let those who can't rest enter the k-hole with ketamine!Hell, give the cartels govt. grants to get some nice big ships.
Basically, I want to prevent high costs for cheap things, but I do not know how to do it without screwing up the markets. So I would ask my economists.
Alternatively, a law could be made that is: nothing should be sold at an unreasonable price. Though the problem is, this is horribly vague and everyone has a different view on a "reasonable price".
I would like to clear some confusion on my policies:
1) Healthcare shall be free for those Employed or recently unemployed and their close family (Children and wife/husband/what ever the hell your married too)
2) I plan to combat isis from the air, the internet and through training and supplying opposition troops on the ground. I also plan to actively combat extremist views in Germany with education programs and careful watching of suspects.
3) I plan to end Germany's participation in the Schengen Agreement and to reform the EU or leave. Since the EU has become to big to manage efficiently.
4) German Military shall be expanded and trained to fight the new era of warfare in the internet as well as modern terrorism
5) I support free market but with Government support for those who need help. A safety net but not a free ride.
6)I believe in lower taxes for business since it helps them to grow and provide more jobs.
You gonna leave the UN too?Ellio_98 wrote:
Since the EU has become to big to manage efficiently.
No and i wont leave Nato as well. They are important to the security of Germany and give Germany a place on the world stage.Quasi-duck wrote:
You gonna leave the UN too?
And the EU stops border checks and export tariffs in Europe. Important to German trade. Besides, it's called the MerkelReich for a reason.Ellio_98 wrote:
No and i wont leave Nato as well. They are important to the security of Germany and give Germany a place on the world stage.Quasi-duck wrote:
You gonna leave the UN too?
But it needs reforming, its become too political.Quasi-duck wrote:
And the EU stops border checks and export tariffs in Europe. Important to German trade. Besides, it's called the MerkelReich for a reason.
Just what does too political mean?Ellio_98 wrote:
But it needs reforming, its become too political.Quasi-duck wrote:
And the EU stops border checks and export tariffs in Europe. Important to German trade. Besides, it's called the MerkelReich for a reason.
Wait wait...Quasi-duck wrote:
Legalise drugs! Let the truckers truck on meth, and the people in constant pain 420 blaze it! Let the woman in the Pascha do all the cocaine they like! Let those who can't rest enter the k-hole with ketamine!nemuritor98_ wrote:
What would you do for/against cartels?Hell, give the cartels govt. grants to get some nice big ships.
you wanna legalise all drugs as well!
you said you were against government regulation, Have I turned you?!
us right wing capitalists want FDA gone, and to legal all drugs and remove regulation in that sector!

Meh, not very conservative or libertarianEllio_98 wrote:
I would like to clear some confusion on my policies:1) Healthcare shall be free for those Employed or recently unemployed and their close family (Children and wife/husband/what ever the hell your married too)
2) I plan to combat isis from the air, the internet and through training and supplying opposition troops on the ground. I also plan to actively combat extremist views in Germany with education programs and careful watching of suspects.
3) I plan to end Germany's participation in the Schengen Agreement and to reform the EU or leave. Since the EU has become to big to manage efficiently.
4) German Military shall be expanded and trained to fight the new era of warfare in the internet as well as modern terrorism
5) I support free market but with Government support for those who need help. A safety net but not a free ride.
6)I believe in lower taxes for business since it helps them to grow and provide more jobs.
too moderate for me, but at least I know what Im getting...
Think vex sumed it up @Ellio_98 

get rid off that second account there.. its soo obvious its yours.. do it fairly,
joined today, and is the name from ur crappy jokes lol
just get rid of that 2nd account
@'Will Fukyamama"
its pretty obvious that it ur account

Are you stupid? I thought it was clear I meant recreational drugs. I don't want deformed babies, though you seem to be up for that.....oceanhawk wrote:
you wanna legalise all drugs as well!you said you were against government regulation, Have I turned you?!
So you are okay to legal drugs that actually do kill people, but not drugs that dont.. okay..Quasi-duck wrote:
Are you stupid? I thought it was clear I meant recreational drugs. I don't want deformed babies, though you seem to be up for that.....oceanhawk wrote:
you wanna legalise all drugs as well!you said you were against government regulation, Have I turned you?!

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