Mock Presidential Race Pt. 3

Since Oceanhawk likes pictures with words on them, I'll post a nice one.

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

It's one thing to say communists endorse a system that will create poverty and slavery, and it's another thing to say communists like poverty itself. We all have the same goal, we just disagree with how to reach it.

Ahh come on that is pure BSCommunist love poverty, every time its tried there is absolute starvation and poverty. Doesnt take much to connect the dots, but some how peoples freedom in the market place cures poverty!

People being free reach their own goals and conduct their lives however they want (provided they let everyone else do the same) is somehow a recipe for wealth, love, happiness and success

If communists real goal was to make people happy, they would all be capitalistic conservatives or libertarains

I was trying to say something reasonable, that despite our differences we can all agree on. I actually believe that capitalist who are not in 'the 1%' are naturally good people, because you have to be a good person to not see the potential that capitalism has for exploitation and oppression.

they are excellent people, through hard work and sacrifice they are wealthy , that is good

unless you got there by doing bad things, like a bank hiest..

If I want to be wealthy and work hard, who the f%4k do you think you are saying I cant?

Everyone should be free to do whatever the hell the want provided they respect everyone elses right to do the same. the government shoudnt say no,

government should just get the hell out of peoples lives

you dont like it? huh grand, but free market capitalism has worked every single time, hasnt ever failed

Meanwhile there is not a single example of socialism or communism working in full....

Quasi-duck wrote:

Since Oceanhawk likes pictures with words on them, I'll post a nice one.

Free markets cannot fail, and havent failed

Everyone should be free economically and socially

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

It's one thing to say communists endorse a system that will create poverty and slavery, and it's another thing to say communists like poverty itself. We all have the same goal, we just disagree with how to reach it.

Ahh come on that is pure BSCommunist love poverty, every time its tried there is absolute starvation and poverty. Doesnt take much to connect the dots, but some how peoples freedom in the market place cures poverty!

People being free reach their own goals and conduct their lives however they want (provided they let everyone else do the same) is somehow a recipe for wealth, love, happiness and success

If communists real goal was to make people happy, they would all be capitalistic conservatives or libertarains

I was trying to say something reasonable, that despite our differences we can all agree on. I actually believe that capitalist who are not in 'the 1%' are naturally good people, because you have to be a good person to not see the potential that capitalism has for exploitation and oppression.

Hahaha, what is wrong with being in the richest 1%?

they are excellent people, through hard work and sacrifice they are wealthy , that is good

unless you got there by doing bad things, like a bank hiest..

If I want to be wealthy and work hard, who the f%4k do you think you are saying I cant?

Everyone should be free to do whatever the hell the want provided they respect everyone elses right to do the same. the government shoudnt say no,

government should just get the hell out of peoples lives

you dont like it? huh grand, but free market capitalism has worked every single time, hasnt ever failed

Meanwhile there is not a single example of socialism or communism working in full....

b) you obviously don't understand my beliefs in the area of economic socialism

c) I am trying to find some common ground where we both agree, but you are making the debate more volatile. You claim communists are evil, but while we're staying calm and trying to be reasonable we are being provoked by those capitalists who claim to be 'the good guys.' It's like the cold war all over again.

I believe capitalism is the way forward. Everyone should work for what they earn and make money on their ideas and not rely on the government to spoon feed. But i also believe the government should stop monopolies and cartels and also to provide a safety net for those people who dont earn enough or lost their job.

democratic countries are not Capitalist. Capitalist countries are Monarchies.

and only a couple of states are actually monarchist in Europe.

Democracy gives you the rights to vote for your president, Monarchies don't....Communists gave the western countries the name "capitalist (pigs)"

someone needs to see the differences between a political system and an economic one

I fully understand the difference between economy and politics unlike my friend over-there in the 'Loony party'. A vote for me is a vote for a Germany in safe hands

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

GreatbigHippo wrote:

It's one thing to say communists endorse a system that will create poverty and slavery, and it's another thing to say communists like poverty itself. We all have the same goal, we just disagree with how to reach it.

Ahh come on that is pure BSCommunist love poverty, every time its tried there is absolute starvation and poverty. Doesnt take much to connect the dots, but some how peoples freedom in the market place cures poverty!People being free reach their own goals and conduct their lives however they want (provided they let everyone else do the same) is somehow a recipe for wealth, love, happiness and success

If communists real goal was to make people happy, they would all be capitalistic conservatives or libertarains

I was trying to say something reasonable, that despite our differences we can all agree on. I actually believe that capitalist who are not in 'the 1%' are naturally good people, because you have to be a good person to not see the potential that capitalism has for exploitation and oppression.

Hahaha, what is wrong with being in the richest 1%?they are excellent people, through hard work and sacrifice they are wealthy , that is good

unless you got there by doing bad things, like a bank hiest..

If I want to be wealthy and work hard, who the f%4k do you think you are saying I cant?

Everyone should be free to do whatever the hell the want provided they respect everyone elses right to do the same. the government shoudnt say no,

government should just get the hell out of peoples lives

you dont like it? huh grand, but free market capitalism has worked every single time, hasnt ever failed

Meanwhile there is not a single example of socialism or communism working in full....

a) you completely missed my point.b) you obviously don't understand my beliefs in the area of economic socialism

c) I am trying to find some common ground where we both agree, but you are making the debate more volatile. You claim communists are evil, but while we're staying calm and trying to be reasonable we are being provoked by those capitalists who claim to be 'the good guys.' It's like the cold war all over again.

You make Capitalism seem bad, when it is great. It means being free and happy, being allowed to do what ever the hell you want! as long as you let others do the same. Life is too short to die early and starve during your life.

Nobody should have to suffer like the way people did in EVERY SINGLE TIME COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM WERE ATTEMPTED

Sorry for getting tough hippo, just Communism is horrible and there is a socialist party here where I live, that are the 4th biggest

And we dont have any perfect conservative party

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

We use silencers silly

Lol. Silencers don't make a gun silent xD.

@GreatbigHippo this'll make you lol, right?

I am a gun enthusiast and a Second Amendment supporter. I believe in proactive wars against bad people and I have no problem with defending oneself against others with lethal force. In spite of all this -- and this next part may seem funny because of it -- there is only one way to make a gun silent...don't use it. Now, if we can just figure out how to convince evil people to stop using guns against the rest of us, we could have societal progress. But, since that will never happen, the best thing you can do is to arm yourself and pray.

GreatbigHippo wrote:

I was trying to say something reasonable, that despite our differences we can all agree on. I actually believe that capitalist who are not in 'the 1%' are naturally good people, because you have to be a good person to not see the potential that capitalism has for exploitation and oppression.

In reality, because of original sin and the fact that the curse of sin is passed on by all fathers to their children, there are no naturally good people save for the one that did not inherit the curse of sin due to his virgin birth, and that person is Jesus.

However, according to the commonly-held beliefs by the ill-informed that man is "inherently good", the definition of what constitutes a good person (as this misconstrued belief entails) is indeed met by many of the so-called "top 1% of capitalists". I have known some of them and know of many of them that would be considered "good" by that definition. And -- like in every other single segment of society -- there are people that would be considered "evil" by that same inaccurate societal definition. Obviously, this includes many of the middle and lower classes. Although economic status might bring out the worst in some people, I would say that -- typically -- people would display this fake "inherent" goodness or badness despite their financial situations.

In truth, money does not make people behave the way they do. The heart is responsible...be it loving or hating, selfish or charitable, ... good or evil. But, despite all that, one thing remains true for all people. And that is this: they can be redeemed from the spoiled sickness of a sin-filled heart. While no man is inherently good, any can come to Christ and be indwelt by the saving Spirit of Jesus who rescues us from sin and the curse of sin, which is death.

Ellio_98 wrote:

I believe capitalism is the way forward. Everyone should work for what they earn and make money on their ideas and not rely on the government to spoon feed. But i also believe the government should stop monopolies and cartels and also to provide a safety net for those people who dont earn enough or lost their job.

The first part makes sense....that a person should make money for what they do. The price is to be determined by the buyer. That is one of the most foundational axioms of all sensible economic systems. That there must be a limit to how much you earn -- arbitrarily determined by some external ruling body or government -- runs anathema to that first principle.

In order to be able to be paid the amount that one deserves, the only way to be truly fair is to allow only the buyer to decide whether the price is worth the product or service. When another steps in to artificially alter that perception, then chaos is inserted into one of the most natural of societal endeavors...which is trade.

Even so-called "monopolies", by their very oxymoronic definition, are not capable of becoming a real monopoly in the truest sense of the word unless an external body empowers that monopoly to forcibly set restrictions on the consumer...not because of any lack of competition, but by forced external "standards" that only the monopoly or their compatriots could hope to meet. Thus, once again, an external force interfering with the individual transaction violates that first axiomatic principle of economics.

communist dogs

Diabolical wrote:

I am a gun enthusiast and a Second Amendment supporter. I believe in proactive wars against bad people and I have no problem with defending oneself against others with lethal force. In spite of all this -- and this next part may seem funny because of it -- there is only one way to make a gun silent...don't use it. Now, if we can just figure out how to convince evil people to stop using guns against the rest of us, we could have societal progress. But, since that will never happen, the best thing you can do is to arm yourself and pray.

nemuritor98_ wrote:

someone needs to see the differences between a political system and an economic one

Only 4 more days left! Ellio currently holds the lead by one vote! This will go down to the wire no doubt!

I encourage both candidates to push for their points, and voters to lock in votes!

Cheers and good luck

Vote for me if you want:

-A stronger stance towards terrorism

-Secured Boarders

-Safe streets

-Strong Economy

-No communists (Looking at my rival)

Vote for me if you want a politician who isn't full of lies just so he/she can get into office and get a big pension after an early retirement.

Ha lies, unlike communism i will fulfill the promises i make. Your ideas are crude and messy just like any "socialist" country out there. And yes communism can bring equality, equal suffering, poverty and oppression for all! Vote for me to keep this commie out

Ellio_98 wrote:

Ha lies, unlike communism i will fulfill the promises i make. Your ideas are crude and messy just like any "socialist" country out there. And yes communism can bring equality, equal suffering, poverty and oppression for all! Vote for me to keep this commie out

A stronger stance towards terrorism

-Secured Boarders

-Safe streets

-Strong Economy

-No communists (Looking at my rival)

seems someone needs to learn some concepts of political ideologies

Quasi-duck wrote:

Fine then, how will you do these things:

Ellio_98 wrote:

Thirdly lower business tax to encourage growth of German industry. Also jobs will be created for the new border force needed and funding will be gained through making other government departments more efficient and some slight tax increases.

You also did not say how you would make the streets "safer".