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Mock Presidential Race Pt. 3

Per popular demand, the Race is back! Same rules apply as previous races, however I will re-state some of the more important things in this thread,

-Everyone can run for president/PM/Chancellor

-Everyone can vote, whether you are a candidate or voter.

-Candidates can debate on this thread. Try to keep it semi-respectful otherwise I will request the thread to be closed under extreme circumstances (I'm pretty laid back on this, so don't be afraid)

-Voters may also question candidates and participate in debates.

-Voters may change votes at any time.

-If candidates wish to vote for another candidate they must resign from the race.

-New Rule: Candidates may NOT switch political parties to enable themselves to stay in race.

With all the rules Mumbo-jumbo aside now, let's get right into it!

First and foremost, the country you will all be running for is becoming the President of Germany!

Instead of setting political parties for you all to choose from, I am allowing you to pick any EXISTING political party in Germany. With the obvious exclusion of any sort of fascist, Nazi party due to Bytro's terms.

Check here often for updates or anything I add during the race. Everything will run relatively the same as the last 2!

Please format your application into the race as follows:

-Forum name

-Political Party you wish to represent

-Maybe give first address on some major issues

(Note: Bolding your application will increase the chances of me spotting it through all the debating! Adding this info will make it much easier for me to sort through things so I appreciate it !)

From there, the rest is up to you guys!

Good luck! Let's get RIOOGHHT into the debates :P

The party primaries will end September 16th!

Note: Any use of this format, or idea is prohibited on the Call of War Forums, unless consent is given by the creator- Vex03.

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6 Sept 2016, 18:31

oceanhawk wrote:

Im sorry.. has communist ever actually worked? no
China, Vietnam.

I will not respond any further. No point in spamming something which you can see in more or less any other thread.

6 Sept 2016, 18:48

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

If the capitalist countries are soo bad, then how come we are yet to see one example of Capitalist/ Free markets Failing?
The US stock market has crashed twice in the last century, causing world wide depressions both times. The first time was a factor in creating WWII, Pretty big failure if you ask me.
Attention everyone, this is a false statement(Quasi that is actually a load of fecin horseshiz, pardon the language :P) and now Im gonna debunk it, and let quasi try again

The economy had actually being struggling in many parts of the country leading up to to wall street crash, it was struggling else where in the country. Secondly, what actually made it nasty was the government.

Government intervention is actually what made the crash, and flipping depression

the government response to the crash, is what made it a depression, due to the government intervention, it wasnt the failure of the free market, it was prolonged by the government intervention

lets look at a time line, shall we?

October 1929- Stock Market Crashed, unemployment peaked at 9%

Over the next few months unemployment began to subside irregularly, and was down to 6.3% by June 1930

So if your keeping track, it is 8 months since the crash, and we haven't hit double digits.. and we are yet to see any intervention from the government.

Now later on that month, in june. The government began their first intervention. The smoot hawley tariff act

The idea was proposed by the left leaning government, was to tax the hell outta imports, in an attempt to increase American industry at home( over 1000 Economists signed an open letter, saying this wouldnt decrease unemployment, and would do the opposite) and the government passed it anyway

Just after it was passed, unemployment hit double digits.. And following this and other government interventions, this is what caused the years to follow, and it was 100% the government to blame

Unemployment wouldnt go back down to single digits, for the remainder of the 1930s, not even for a single month.

Now obviously this was prolonged by further government interventions, and this tariff act is just one of many mistakes by the government. Wagner act etc

So you are completely wrong, it was the government intervention that made things as bad as they were!


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye
6 Sept 2016, 18:52

@oceanhawk, you won't accept facts you disagree with. How can we trust you have an unbiased opinion when you either ignore or use no true scotsman on every argument against you.

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you are a balls
6 Sept 2016, 18:53

Lol. I'll just post some nice pictures, post 1929, pre 1940.

6 Sept 2016, 19:14

seems someone needs some economic(capitalist ones) lessons

6 Sept 2016, 19:35

nemuritor98_ wrote:

seems someone needs some economic(capitalist ones) lessons
Who needs lessons?
6 Sept 2016, 19:39

Quasi-duck wrote:

nemuritor98_ wrote:

seems someone needs some economic(capitalist ones) lessons
Who needs lessons?
who tried to explain how government intervention from 1930 created the unemployment and not the crash of 1929

PD: is very easy to explain why if someone is interested

6 Sept 2016, 19:59

Ah, thanks. I'm usually keen to learn, care to tell us please? :D

6 Sept 2016, 20:06

Quasi-duck wrote:

Lol, and a huge chunk of the US is going through a drought. What about it? Spain charges for a human right (water) and Ireland is trying to do the same.
Water is a human right, of course it is. But the prices are extremely low in Spain, and it's good if you make money out of it, because then people obvs have to pay, and it isn't wasted unnecessarily.

Quasi-duck wrote:

America has fought wars for capitalism, and it was (and still is) worldwide. It is slavery in everything but name, look up bonded labour. Hell, a year or two ago some slaves were freed in the UK. Inner-city London, if memory is correct.
America has fought for capitalism, there isn't any denying that. But it has fought wars for capitalism because it believed it was better than Communism (and it is).

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Slavery, in most cases, was very capitalist. Throughout most of history, slaves were treated more humanely than they were in America, but it was still slavery, and still capitalist
Never was capitalist.
The past is a foreign country.
6 Sept 2016, 20:09

Pablo22510 wrote:

Water is a human right, of course it is. But the prices are extremely low in Spain, and it's good if you make money out of it, because then people obvs have to pay, and it isn't wasted unnecessarily.
So? Would you like to pay for air?

Pablo22510 wrote:

America has fought for capitalism, there isn't any denying that. But it has fought wars for capitalism because it believed it was better than Communism (and it is).
Point being? It also fought a war for slavery.
6 Sept 2016, 20:11

Quasi-duck wrote:

So? Would you like to pay for air?
Nah, 'cos air moves and doesn't reallt beling to anyone, since the air that is in France could be in Spain the next day. Plus, you don't really know how much air someone has breathed.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Point being? It also fought a war for slavery.
You mean the American Civil War, or which one?
The past is a foreign country.
6 Sept 2016, 20:17

Pablo22510 wrote:

Nah, 'cos air moves and doesn't reallt beling to anyone, since the air that is in France could be in Spain the next day. Plus, you don't really know how much air someone has breathed.
Lol, heard of a "river"? Or "The Water Cycle"? Lol.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Oh nice! Some pics! Oh wait: pictures aren't facts! But you know what? Two can play that game.

studyingthehumanities.files.wo…mine-in-ukraine.jpg?w=960

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…oviet_famine_children.jpg

Soooooo by what you said those aren't facts? Cool, you just denied a famine in Ukraine. GG.

Pablo22510 wrote:

You mean the American Civil War
Yeah.
6 Sept 2016, 20:21

Quasi-duck wrote:

Lol, heard of a "river"? Or "The Water Cycle"? Lol.
Yeah I have, and I knew you were going to come back with that, but the water we use, at least here in Spain, comes out of reservoirs. And it is easy to tax people on water, not easy to do the same with air.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Soooooo by what you said those aren't facts? Cool, you just denied a famine in Ukraine. GG.
No, I didn't deny it. It is true that I didn't add the word 'necessarily'. I should have said 'pictures aren't necessarily facts'. But I forgot to add the word. Whatever, USSR was worse than America during thr 30s.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Yeah
Well, I don't know if you know, but the US Civil War was sooooooo not about slavery. Slavery was not a mere footnote, but it wasn't crucial either. And I might remind you that the side that wanted slavery abolished was the one who won, sooo...
The past is a foreign country.
6 Sept 2016, 20:35

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah I have, and I knew you were going to come back with that, but the water we use, at least here in Spain, comes out of reservoirs.
And how does that water get there?

Pablo22510 wrote:

And it is easy to tax people on water, not easy to do the same with air.
Have you seen "The Lorax"?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Whatever, USSR was worse than America during thr 30s.
Lol. Easy for a few hundred year old country. The USSR was ~10 - 15 years old at the time. During that time in the USA, they were stealing land from natives.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Well, I don't know if you know, but the US Civil War was sooooooo not about slavery. Slavery was not a mere footnote, but it wasn't crucial either.
From Wiki: The war had its origin in the factious issue of slavery, especially the extension of slavery into the western territories

Pablo22510 wrote:

And I might remind you that the side that wanted slavery abolished was the one who won, sooo...
Yet we get people being put in jail for sitting on buses in 1955 a woman is jailed for sitting on a bus... in the land of "freedom".
6 Sept 2016, 20:44

Quasi-duck wrote:

And how does that water get there?
Rivers, no shit Sherlock. But taking water out of rivers is much easier, because you know where the water is, you don't really know where the air is.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Have you seen "The Lorax"?
Name rings a bell.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Lol. Easy for a few hundred year old country. The USSR was ~10 - 15 years old at the time. During that time in the USA, they were stealing land from natives.
That isn't an excuse.

Quasi-duck wrote:

From Wiki: The war had its origin in the factious issue of slavery, especially the extension of slavery into the western territories
Wiki can say what it wants, but slavery wasn't really the issue. Btw, even if some people mantain it was the issue, the side that wanted slavery abolished won.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Yet we get people being put in jail for sitting on buses in 1955 a woman is jailed for sitting on a bus... in the land of "freedom".
'55? Wait, that was like, 60 years ago?
The past is a foreign country.
6 Sept 2016, 20:56

Pablo22510 wrote:

Rivers, no shit Sherlock. But taking water out of rivers is much easier, because you know where the water is, you don't really know where the air is.
You guys musn't have science as a mandatory subject in Spanish, right? What is, moist litmus paper, see if it supports a flame (test for O2, yeah, but air supports it too).

Oh yeah, and it is more or less everywhere.

Pablo22510 wrote:

That isn't an excuse.
.......

A country that big, and that new, with a relatively new leader, undergoing an industrial revolution, while trying to re-arm from the disasters of the last two governments, on top of relatively poor infrastructure, with roads that are mud for most of the year, is bound to have a few hiccups.

Pablo22510 wrote:

the side that wanted slavery abolished won.
Half of America thought slavery was worth fighting a war for 4 years to keep it. That isn't good, nor is what you say an excuse.

Pablo22510 wrote:

'55? Wait, that was like, 60 years ago?
Oh yeah, well then Alabama bans self-pleasure toys, black people are still more likely to be arrested/shot/imprisoned, the first black president had people make models of him being hung, Michael Donald was lynched in 1981, the KKK is alive and relatively well, what else?
6 Sept 2016, 21:09

GreatbigHippo wrote:

@oceanhawk, you won't accept facts you disagree with. How can we trust you have an unbiased opinion when you either ignore or use no true scotsman on every argument against you.
That isnt even a real argument..

What I posted, wasnt opinion, it was pure fact..

the unemployment rate hit double digits, once the government got invovled

you stupid commies, refuse to except facts and figuers

and maybe that that stupid ideolgy, that has killed more people, that the FU$&ING WORLD WARS KILLED

you actually support?

If you wanted to call yourself center left liberal, with a expanded government, but going extreme as a socialist, just means one thing..

Your dumb :)


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye
6 Sept 2016, 21:11

oceanhawk wrote:

Your dumb
You're*
6 Sept 2016, 21:12

Quasi-duck wrote:

oceanhawk wrote:

Your dumb
You're*
You are a communist, you are extreme on the spectrum :P

If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

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