Operation unthinkable.

It would not have worked because Russia, IS, winter. Three reasons.

Just to get the ball rolling:

Well, militarily, it would have been a successful, very one-sided operation, with very few casualties to their own forces.

Public opinion in their home countries, however, would have been dead against it. The Western allies were supposed to be the "good" guys, systematically wiping out populations of millions of men, women and children indiscriminately would have been far too much for the general public to be even close to condoning.

However, should this have been during the stage after Russia had it's own program up and running (about 1949) then the whole stalemate case could be taking place, and the nuclear war could cause huge casualties on both sides.

The plan would have been a total disaster, mainly because.

At the end of the war, the Red Army possessed an army trained and big while that the British Army and the US Army, the only way to gain that would have been possible would have been the dropping of atomic bombs and Europe had already suffered a terrible war to get into another,so the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1945 seems something impossible and illogical.

It would have been a war more terrible than the Second World War,the atomic bombs would have been thrown on the strategic principal points,It would have been a massacre this operation would have been achievable in the 1960s, we could say that it is the first plan of the cold war.

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Best regards Jack Kennedy.

These were the positions after the second world war,the Red Army exceeded in number the British and Americans.

A Polish detachment? Wow, I didn't think there'd be any after the kind of treatment they suffered.

Kalantigos wrote:

A Polish detachment? Wow, I didn't think there'd be any after the kind of treatment they suffered.

This army would grow over the years and provide most of the units and troops of the Second Corps Polaco.

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Everyone is too weary from the last war, such a war although quite possible will not happen immediately. With the breakdown of the Union such a innevibility is gone, or at least transferred to someone else...

V1nd1cat0r wrote:

Everyone is too weary from the last war, such a war although quite possible will not happen immediately. With the breakdown of the Union such a innevibility is gone, or at least transferred to someone else...

Well Patton said he could start a war with the Russians and make it look like they started it...

If Roosevelt hadn't had died and Truman taken over I could have seen this operation being carried out successfully, it would have certainly been extremely costly but I don't think the Soviet Union could have survived another world war. Notably they are famed for a near limitless manpower reserve but the Germans did drain the Soviets of many military age men and women during the war, I seriously doubt the Soviets could have sustained the losses of Operation Unthinkable for long.

It should be noted had Truman not been a moron and dropped the atomic weapons on Japan for the most part they would have been a surprise to the USSR and prevented them from developing their own Atomic weapons in the immediate future, possibly avoiding the cold war stalemate. All that said the USSR did have spies that reported on the manhattan project to make an atomic weapon but until we actually used them they weren't proven to be a viable weapon.

To sum it up, if Roosevelt not died this operation would have had the leadership needed to succeed.

Iron Guard24 wrote:

not been a moron and dropped the atomic weapons on Japan

Iron Guard24 wrote:

Well Patton said he could start a war with the Russians and make it look like they started it...

If Roosevelt hadn't had died and Truman taken over I could have seen this operation being carried out successfully, it would have certainly been extremely costly but I don't think the Soviet Union could have survived another world war. Notably they are famed for a near limitless manpower reserve but the Germans did drain the Soviets of many military age men and women during the war, I seriously doubt the Soviets could have sustained the losses of Operation Unthinkable for long.

It should be noted had Truman not been a moron and dropped the atomic weapons on Japan for the most part they would have been a surprise to the USSR and prevented them from developing their own Atomic weapons in the immediate future, possibly avoiding the cold war stalemate. All that said the USSR did have spies that reported on the manhattan project to make an atomic weapon but until we actually used them they weren't proven to be a viable weapon.

To sum it up, if Roosevelt not died this operation would have had the leadership needed to succeed.

LOL before the operation would be started there would be more troops sent, Im talking about a scenario where Truman never came to power, that map has no value in that scenario, thats history, im talking alternate history.

Also numbers mean little if your tactics are superior.

Iron Guard24 wrote:

Also numbers mean little if your tactics are superior.

The soviet T-series outshine the allied conterparts and the Sherman was design specifically for the war. The soviet industrial might was awaken when Hitler attack, judging by the state of Europe underestimating the enemy is a lesson the US learned in the most embarrasing fashion in recent history like the Vietnam war.

In an alternate scenario there are no more nukes left and the soviets having mostly the best equipment after the war and US busy repairing Europe, a war with the soviets is a stupid move.

don't get me started on soviet tanks, easy production, slope armor, speed, and number. The soviet tanks were arguably the predesesors of MBT of our time.

Sir McSquiggles wrote:

I think the allies would have lost millions had they not dropped the atomic bombs. Japan had a no surrender policy. It would have taken more time and cost a lot more troops to defeat the Japanese. Russia would have probably had the bombs information by then because the spies would have gone there anyways most likely.

Are we not talking about conventional warfare with the soviets?

V1nd1cat0r wrote:

The soviet T-series outshine the allied conterparts and the Sherman was design specifically for the war. The soviet industrial might was awaken when Hitler attack, judging by the state of Europe underestimating the enemy is a lesson the US learned in the most embarrasing fashion in recent history like the Vietnam war.

In an alternate scenario there are no more nukes left and the soviets having mostly the best equipment after the war and US busy repairing Europe, a war with the soviets is a stupid move.

If the USSR had the power to push the allies out of Europe, they probably would have, underestimating the USSR is just as foolish as underestimating the Allies... In the end both powers were equally matched but in a scenario without Roosevelt's death im confident the Allies could have done it.

Oh and no, not conventional warfare, use of nukes by the USA on USSR to support invasion.

They really did a lot of crazy nuclear experiments, RAD shells and nuclear land mines just to name a few, even nuclear artillery.