Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
I think you are mixing that up with the Treaty of Versailles
Ehm, the Treaty of Versaille was a treaty, not a nation. While the Wiemar Republic was a nice little nation that was destroyed economically and then became Nazi Germany.
The Weimar Republic was not a nice little nation. Several of my great-grandparents fled Austria and Germany because of the warpath that the Kaiser was on. That "nice" little nation was looking for an imperial excuse to go to war when it was handed to them on a platter with the assassination of their close ally's Prince Ferdinand.
Here's a bit about that...with my family:
Spoiler
My mother's mother's parents, my mother's mother's uncle, and my mother's mother's step-father (her father was blown up in a dynamite accident after arriving here) had all migrated to America to get away from the war footing of their countries a few years before the Great War began. Great Grandpa "Pop" Gherig (the step-father) was German and my blood relatives were Austrian. These all homesteaded in my community and my family is one the older heritage families in my area because of this.
My great-grandparents had to give up an inn and restaurant that they owned to leave Austria. I'm not sure if they were able to sell it or if they just let their relatives have it because I have distant relatives in Austria that run the place.
GreatbigHippo wrote:
Diabolical wrote:
GreatbigHippo wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Socialism is great!Look at how it worked out in Venezuela
Yes! They have gas stations in the US. Socialism is great
Um...just so you know, I'm pretty sure their petroleum company is state owned.
I know. I don't think that it is bad, either.
Citizens don't profit when the government owns stuff. But, under socialism -- and especially in Communism -- powerful people in the government pocket a cut of the business' income even if there is no profit...thus driving the government-run business to have to be "subsidized" by the public welfare. That is really just money laundering by the politicians to pocket the wealth...such that it is.
Without profit, people aren't motivated to work hard. And, since the only people profiting off of government-run businesses are the politicians and maybe a few bribed bosses at the business, the employees will not be motivated to work hard.
In a socialist system, if the workers don't work hard or try to quit, their bosses can threaten them with being black-balled away from other employment opportunities. So, for them, it's keep working this job that they hate or else starve.
In a communist system -- which is socialism by deadly force -- if the workers don't work hard or try to quit, their bosses dictate whether the worker is allowed to work less or not and whether they can quit or not -- that's the heavy-handed rule of communism. So, for those employees, it's keep working this job they hate -- and work hard -- or else face imprisonment ... or worse.
*Halfhearted and Sarcastically, "Yay, socialism...ain't it great?"
Pablo22510 wrote:
GreatbigHippo wrote:
What about vietnam? They have one of the highest economic growth rates in the world.
Vietnam, like China, is a Communist country only in name. Maybe even less Commie than China. In everything else they are as capitalist as the USA.
Vietnam is very much a communist nation. The only difference between them and China is the percentage of state-run company's export. Like China, they learned well that the "capitalist pigs" will buy their cheap crap so they force their people to work in super-low-wage sweatshops to produce useless goods that American's bought up like crazy since the economic boon of the 80's. That Reagan-era wealth -- which was made possible in part by the beautiful logic of "Trickle-down economics" allowed us American's to purchase literally millions of tons of junk products from eastern Asian countries.
But that isn't capitalism over their. And it isn't quasi-capitalism either. In a communist nation, there is no such thing as trickle-down wealth. That is a side-product of capitalism. No, in a communist nation, there is only trickle-down misery...and trickly-up wealth. What little wealth that is generated by the populous is stolen by the political powers.
In a socialist regime, the wealth is still stolen by the political powers, but they don't do it at the tip of a gun, so the people are marginally happier than in communist nation. Either way, though, much of that wealth is wasted in red-tape and "skimming" by government-endorsed organized crime syndicates. In a capitalist system, when skimming is discovered, it is prosecuted by law. In a socialist system, it's tolerated by law. In a communist system, if you claim to have heard that skimming was being done by a crime syndicate, the government shoots you.
I offer up all this wisdom, and I haven't even started on socialism's ultra-leftist bastard child, the Nazi system. I'll save that for another day.
It seemed like such a waste to destroy an entire battle station just to eliminate one man. But Charlie knew that it was the only way to ensure the absolute and total destruction of Quasi-duck, once and for all.
The saying, "beating them into submission until payday", is just golden...pun intended.
R.I.P. Snickers <3
