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Masked Phantom wrote:

The amount of intellect that's been written here combined with my not-so-much knowledge about history has led me into a spectator of the bar.
Relatable....
I realized the power I held, Power! The power to rule! To make the world grovel at my feet!
We will begin with a reign of terror. A few murders here and there, murders of great men, murders of little men, just to show we make no distinction.
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That's why I always feel like i'm the idiot of the group

Which is funny

"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.

KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:

That's why I always feel like i'm the idiot of the group

Which is funny

It do be like that somtimes...
I realized the power I held, Power! The power to rule! To make the world grovel at my feet!
We will begin with a reign of terror. A few murders here and there, murders of great men, murders of little men, just to show we make no distinction.
꧋ꦔꦺꦴꦤꦺꦴꦪꦺꦴꦔꦺꦴꦤꦺꦴ꧈ꦤꦔꦶꦁꦎꦗꦺꦴꦔꦺꦴꦤꦺꦴ꧉
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Carking the 6th wrote:

Remember though, that is Poland. It was a country being colonized and exploited, so of course life there would be worse. In the Soviet Union, the same problems you mentioned existed, but on a lesser scale. Life was very obviously not easy or fun like tankies idealize it, but it wasn’t the same Stalin era hell that an average westerner is taught. Situation depended on time period, and the 60’s -early 80’s era Soviet Union was much more different to Stalin and Gorbachev times. Generally people in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus will say life was better before the collapse, while everyone else benefited from its fall. At least that’s what I see when I read anecdotes. A certain statistic rated the majority of Russians as preferring life in the Soviet Union. That makes sense; Putin’s Russia is as suppressive as the Soviet Union, but with an even worse living standard and worse war to boot. What I mean is that you can’t judge this country like monolith.

Let is think about it as if the United States were to see an even worse state in a few years and collapse into different states. Future generations will remember America as that country that challenged say… China and (somehow) lost. It will be remembered for being a very divided country with huge wealth inequality and high living costs. American cultural power falls to China and its greatest songs and movies become Secondary and a relic of the past. Still, some states like Texas and California benefited from the collapse and manage to get back on their feet, while a remnant US with a huge part of the former country under its control becomes worse off and falls to strongmen and nationalism who promise glory… Texans tells you of the declining economy and the dread of watching society collapse, while people in the remnant state of New York tell of back when everyone who had a job could be promised a minimum wage and mostly clean water…

Rather than that contrived and confusing tangent I could have just skipped to the point. This point? Different people were better and worse off, benefitted from or suffered in the Eastern bloc, and that the way we view it all should be more detailed and from different areas, times, and lives. This Eastern Bloc (including other communist states that isolated from the west like China) contained half the world for multiple generations, and while generally life kinda sucked for sure, it’s never that cut and dry. Unless it’s about those damn commies… what was I talking about again?

I think one story will address this quite nicely. Sometime in the 70s, my aunt, who lived in the PRL, went on a school trip to Kaliningrad(CCCP). Remember, this was during the time that both nations were part of the Eastern Bloc. My aunt recalls boarding a bus and getting escorted by several police cars from the Polish border into the city. She and her classmates were amazed that they were being treated as some important visitors. She only realized afterwards that the reason was so that nobody could get a good look at what was happening outside, in the rural parts of the Russian SSR. Now tell me, if living in Russia was so much better, what were they so scared of showing? This is again, not a second or third-hand account, I'm telling it exactly as my Aunt did, and she survived through the PRL. A few years ago, I believed the same thing, that the Western way of presenting life in the Eastern Bloc was exaggerated and extreme, but the more I asked people who were there to witness it, the more I realised that they really aren't far off at all. Sure, some things are certainly twisted, but there's a lot that isn't. Life was really that bad. As for music and entertainment, there are always a few good things, but overall, everything that came out of the Eastern Bloc was extremely censored. Life was never shown as it actually was, more so like it was supposed to be. There really isn't anything that contains criticism of the gov, and there's good reason for that. The best work from the time was that which secretly opposed communism but appeared to support it. Eastern Bloc artists created ingenious ways to cleverly hide the true meaning of their work. There is one poem, written during those times, that had four paragraphs, arranged in a 2x2 grid. If read one paragraph at a time, from top to bottom, it praised communism and its achievements, but if read from left to right, skipping over the gap from the two paragraphs, you ended up with a poem that talked about the destruction of the Communist party and its ideals. If you want to see the true best work of poles from the era, look at that. Culture and religion was suppressed by the communist governments of the era, don't even get me started on "it flourished".
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I ain’t readin all dat

…it’s silly time……….:3

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
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Donk2.0 wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

Remember though, that is Poland. It was a country being colonized and exploited, so of course life there would be worse. In the Soviet Union, the same problems you mentioned existed, but on a lesser scale. Life was very obviously not easy or fun like tankies idealize it, but it wasn’t the same Stalin era hell that an average westerner is taught. Situation depended on time period, and the 60’s -early 80’s era Soviet Union was much more different to Stalin and Gorbachev times. Generally people in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus will say life was better before the collapse, while everyone else benefited from its fall. At least that’s what I see when I read anecdotes. A certain statistic rated the majority of Russians as preferring life in the Soviet Union. That makes sense; Putin’s Russia is as suppressive as the Soviet Union, but with an even worse living standard and worse war to boot. What I mean is that you can’t judge this country like monolith.

Let is think about it as if the United States were to see an even worse state in a few years and collapse into different states. Future generations will remember America as that country that challenged say… China and (somehow) lost. It will be remembered for being a very divided country with huge wealth inequality and high living costs. American cultural power falls to China and its greatest songs and movies become Secondary and a relic of the past. Still, some states like Texas and California benefited from the collapse and manage to get back on their feet, while a remnant US with a huge part of the former country under its control becomes worse off and falls to strongmen and nationalism who promise glory… Texans tells you of the declining economy and the dread of watching society collapse, while people in the remnant state of New York tell of back when everyone who had a job could be promised a minimum wage and mostly clean water…

Rather than that contrived and confusing tangent I could have just skipped to the point. This point? Different people were better and worse off, benefitted from or suffered in the Eastern bloc, and that the way we view it all should be more detailed and from different areas, times, and lives. This Eastern Bloc (including other communist states that isolated from the west like China) contained half the world for multiple generations, and while generally life kinda sucked for sure, it’s never that cut and dry. Unless it’s about those damn commies… what was I talking about again?

I think one story will address this quite nicely. Sometime in the 70s, my aunt, who lived in the PRL, went on a school trip to Kaliningrad(CCCP). Remember, this was during the time that both nations were part of the Eastern Bloc. My aunt recalls boarding a bus and getting escorted by several police cars from the Polish border into the city. She and her classmates were amazed that they were being treated as some important visitors. She only realized afterwards that the reason was so that nobody could get a good look at what was happening outside, in the rural parts of the Russian SSR. Now tell me, if living in Russia was so much better, what were they so scared of showing? This is again, not a second or third-hand account, I'm telling it exactly as my Aunt did, and she survived through the PRL. A few years ago, I believed the same thing, that the Western way of presenting life in the Eastern Bloc was exaggerated and extreme, but the more I asked people who were there to witness it, the more I realised that they really aren't far off at all. Sure, some things are certainly twisted, but there's a lot that isn't. Life was really that bad. As for music and entertainment, there are always a few good things, but overall, everything that came out of the Eastern Bloc was extremely censored. Life was never shown as it actually was, more so like it was supposed to be. There really isn't anything that contains criticism of the gov, and there's good reason for that. The best work from the time was that which secretly opposed communism but appeared to support it. Eastern Bloc artists created ingenious ways to cleverly hide the true meaning of their work. There is one poem, written during those times, that had four paragraphs, arranged in a 2x2 grid. If read one paragraph at a time, from top to bottom, it praised communism and its achievements, but if read from left to right, skipping over the gap from the two paragraphs, you ended up with a poem that talked about the destruction of the Communist party and its ideals. If you want to see the true best work of poles from the era, look at that. Culture and religion was suppressed by the communist governments of the era, don't even get me started on "it flourished".
Yes, rural CCCP sucked and life there was not easy. The government tried to hide it. But so is life in America for our homeless population (of which the USSR had none, even if in shitty housing, better than nothing at all) Appalachia and Alabama. Remember, at this same time the US suppressed many minorities and ruined lives in the red scare. Now,I’m not trying to use whataboutism, but it is likely that I’d Gorbachev had succeeded they would joke about the past just like us…

You mentioned that the Soviet Union suppressed religion and culture. That is true. But they didn’t ban religion completely, allowing worship in private. Especially in Central Asia religiousness still existed. There is nothing to say about their suppression of minorities though, they literally attempted genocide lol. But remember, towards the end with Gorbachev things like this were getting unbanned. The USSR was starting to mellow out. This is sort of like Judging American for slavery and genocide of Native Americans and forgetting that the US improved in that regard (perhaps not enough, some would argue. Not gonna go there)

I could also argue that anecdotal evidence is not the best thing to judge a whole topic, but I never liked that argument. But still, you mention Poland again. This was one of the worst places to live in at the time. You made a decent point about rural Russia, but when I see rural Russians interviewed they all seem to prefer the Soviet times vastly over current ones. I think that’s more a testament to the collapse failure of a man Putin is, though. Contrary to your past point, it seemed that rather that people in places considered more important, like Moscow lived kinda normally. Cities the USSR wanted to show off? Better off. This has two sides, the propaganda and corruption one, but also along with their government for once providing some type of living standard in a place. Another thing is that the USSR allowed some types of elections, and although they ran unopposed, politicians would often be removed if enough people stood against them and didn’t vote.

I do not disagree with your belief that life in the Eastern bloc sucked, but rather your belief that it was “that bad,” as in a hellhole where no happiness, fulfillment or basic living could be found. I necessitate the reiterating of the fact that this was the largest country in the world, over about three generations of people. Things are bound to be different between places and people, and your family in Poland in only one look into life over there. During that Squidward video I showed, many Russian commenters spoke about how they preferred their life in the USSR over today. Does that mean it was an amazing place? No, but it wasn’t pure hell like it practically was in much of Poland. Take a more broad look, from different areas. It will lead to a conclusion that is more factual and meaningful than either of ours.

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich
…it’s silly time……….:3

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich
What about Putin?

Carking the 6th wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich
What about Putin?
Why do we have to talk about Putin?
Stay Sweet!

Taffyta Muttonfudge wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich

russ_russ1 wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

I ain’t readin all dat
Average Russian when presented with information that proves the lack of morals of their leadership.
I’ll give you a nuh-uh and a knuckle sandwich
What about Putin?
Why do we have to talk about Putin?
My good friend Russie and Putin go waaaaaaay back

Eww. Do not reference me to Putin I value human lives

…it’s silly time……….:3

You better edit that, ffs

Yes, you better...

Stay Sweet!

Bettor?

…it’s silly time……….:3

Yes.

Stay Sweet!

Putin is bad man

…it’s silly time……….:3

i u srbiji

Can’t understand Serbian dat well

…it’s silly time……….:3

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