Was Rommel a Nazi and was he aware of the concentration camps?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

No, man. Very few people knew about them. It would've been bad for morale. Rommel foud out in late '43.

What I'm saying is your wrong about only officials knowing as the SS and hired Jews, Poles, Ukrainians etc. had to guard the camps.

Kehsct wrote:

I think he means besides the guards.

Quasi-duck wrote:

What about the train drivers?

Pablo22510 wrote:

From the outside, the camp would've looked normal. They wouldn't have been able to see the chambers. It would have looked like a normal concentration camp.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

What about the train drivers?

From the outside, the camp would've looked normal. They wouldn't have been able to see the chambers. It would have looked like a normal concentration camp.

FilipALFA wrote:

You could see the graves of the camps. Before the Gas chambers they used to be shot. The drivers must have heard something you know? Or see the big holes in the ground.

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CzarHellios wrote:

To say that nobody but the "Top officials" of the Third Reich new of the Concentration Camps is sheer revisionist history. The people of Germany saw that people vanished. The burning bodies filled many cities with unpleasant odors. Men returning home did say things. As far as history is concerned, the people of Germany both knew of the Holocaust, and that people were dying. Perhaps not the specifics, but that things were happening. What can be argued is to what extent the German people knew. The higher up in the Third Reich you go, surrounded by propaganda and in your bubble...The less you might actually know.

In regards to Field Marshal Rommel, historians are a bit divided on him. He was neither a Saint, or a Monster. He was not a National Socialist. Did he believe in some of its ideals? Well, in the general ways of "Strength, Honour", the general vague statements of the National Socialist party...Which everyone saw what they wanted to in it. From what we know of his journals, and diaries, he was a earlier admirer of Hitler...Like everyone else was in Germany, and abroad in the world at the time for his accomplishments. Later thought Hitler was somewhat "Mad", but because of the advisors and traiters surrounding him, before finally discovering that Hitler may of been the crazy one himself.

Ignored Hitlers orders multiple times, and ignored/Fought with the SS quite a bit. Their is a reason why out of all the German Commanders of that period, that his name still graces streets in Germany, and that they still have statues of him. He was not a Nazi. He was not against the Jews. He was not a evil, horrible person. He was just human.

Rommel was a field marshal,a member of the high command,forced to kill himself on Hitlers orders.i think its pretty safe to say he knew about the camps.not saying he was for them though.

if you want to know him you should checkout these books he wrote.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23280859-rommel

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/250945.Rommel_and_His_Art_of_War

and my personal favorite of all his books

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/152163.The_Rommel_Papers

"In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine." E. Rommel

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005131

http://remember.org/witness/liberators

CzarHellios wrote:

To say that nobody but the "Top officials" of the Third Reich new of the Concentration Camps is sheer revisionist history. The people of Germany saw that people vanished. The burning bodies filled many cities with unpleasant odors. Men returning home did say things. As far as history is concerned, the people of Germany both knew of the Holocaust, and that people were dying. Perhaps not the specifics, but that things were happening. What can be argued is to what extent the German people knew. The higher up in the Third Reich you go, surrounded by propaganda and in your bubble...The less you might actually know.

In regards to Field Marshal Rommel, historians are a bit divided on him. He was neither a Saint, or a Monster. He was not a National Socialist. Did he believe in some of its ideals? Well, in the general ways of "Strength, Honour", the general vague statements of the National Socialist party...Which everyone saw what they wanted to in it. From what we know of his journals, and diaries, he was a earlier admirer of Hitler...Like everyone else was in Germany, and abroad in the world at the time for his accomplishments. Later thought Hitler was somewhat "Mad", but because of the advisors and traiters surrounding him, before finally discovering that Hitler may of been the crazy one himself.

Ignored Hitlers orders multiple times, and ignored/Fought with the SS quite a bit. Their is a reason why out of all the German Commanders of that period, that his name still graces streets in Germany, and that they still have statues of him. He was not a Nazi. He was not against the Jews. He was not a evil, horrible person. He was just human.

Pablo22510 wrote:

FilipALFA wrote:

You could see the graves of the camps. Before the Gas chambers they used to be shot. The drivers must have heard something you know? Or see the big holes in the ground.

I think you haven't heard of the word 'crematorium'. They didn't bury the bodies, they burned them. And there were no death camps where they were shot. In the death camps, the method used was gas. Btw, I looked it up. The train drivers were SS, apparently.

FilipALFA wrote:

Yeah, but what about the paeople who dug their own graves and were shot and left. What about when the people walked from one camp to another and no one gave a f**k. But, they knew.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Sidlice

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Sidlice

Do you mean Lidice?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah, always get confused with that one. Believe it or not, I have read it spelt in a variety of ways in books written by historians. One historian wrote Sidlice, another one actually wrote Odlice. Since then, can't remember the correct spelling. Thanks.

Lidice was a repercussion killing, kind of like Kristallnacht.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice :

Lidice (German: Liditz) is a village in the Czech Republic just northwest of Prague. It is built near the site of the previous village of the same name which, as part of the Nazi Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, on orders from Adolf Hitler and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, was completely destroyed by German forces in reprisal for the assassination, in Operation Anthropoid, of Reich Protector Reinhard Heydrich in the late spring of 1942.^[1] On 10 June 1942, all 173 men over 15 years of age from the village were executed.^[2] Another 11 men who were not in the village were arrested and executed soon afterwards, along with several others already under arrest.^[2] Meanwhile, 184 women and 88 children were deported to concentration camps; a few children considered racially suitable for Germanisation were handed over to SS families and the rest were sent to the Chełmno extermination camp where they were gassed to death.^{[citation needed][2]} After the war ended, only 153 women and 17 children returned.^[2]

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah, always get confused with that one. Believe it or not, I have read it spelt in a variety of ways in books written by historians. One historian wrote Sidlice, another one actually wrote Odlice. Since then, can't remember the correct spelling. Thanks.

No problem, I was just asking to make sure that you are wrong

Lidice was a repercussion killing, kind of like Kristallnacht.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice :

Lidice (German: Liditz) is a village in the Czech Republic just northwest of Prague. It is built near the site of the previous village of the same name which, as part of the Nazi Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, on orders from Adolf Hitler and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, was completely destroyed by German forces in reprisal for the assassination, in Operation Anthropoid, of Reich Protector Reinhard Heydrich in the late spring of 1942.^[1] On 10 June 1942, all 173 men over 15 years of age from the village were executed.^[2] Another 11 men who were not in the village were arrested and executed soon afterwards, along with several others already under arrest.^[2] Meanwhile, 184 women and 88 children were deported to concentration camps; a few children considered racially suitable for Germanisation were handed over to SS families and the rest were sent to the Chełmno extermination camp where they were gassed to death.^{[citation needed][2]} After the war ended, only 153 women and 17 children returned.^[2]

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yeah, I know why it happened. My point is it was wiped off the face of Earth to prevent word from leaking out. However, I do agree that someone must have noticed that a whole village was missing.

It was not to stop word leaking out, it was just for revenge.

Quasi-duck wrote:

It was not to stop word leaking out, it was just for revenge.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I KNOW, but to prevent word leaking out that they'd wiped out a village, they killed everyone.