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"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
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3 Apr 2016, 17:09 (edited)
Are we talking about the best Army in WII, or the best Regime and government structure and crimes? What one has to do with another?
Soviets did not bomb and burn to the ground German cities with bombers, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians at once, and they definitely have not used nuclear bombs above populated cities as well.
I am not even mentioning Korea, Vietnam and almost half of other nations around the world , where WEST committed war crimes.
Sure, they allowed elections, sometimes in some countries, but if the results have not satisfied them, they would just make a coup and replace the gov't with a more loyal one.
You can look up those links yourself...
3 Apr 2016, 17:13
and YES, Europe is heavily influenced by USA. you must be blind to not see it.
and TRUE, that history in USA and Western Europe is based on American propaganda, it links to the fact above and to your very biased view on how WWII was fought and it's results.
3 Apr 2016, 17:13
Maximilien wrote:
In the Soviet occupied territories, nationalists and Democrats were murdered or deported by the soviet regime.
Look at the American and British atrocities.
(There is too many ones against Native Americans alone to list here)
I looked up "who did the most fighting in wwii" using Google.ie and got this: Fighting World War Two: Powerful Germany Begins to Face Defeats. In December 1941, the United States was at war. It declared war against Japan after Japanese planes destroyed American air and naval forces in Hawaii. And a few days later, Germany and Italy declared war against the United States.
The French army could not fight against the German.
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:23
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
Irrelevant. The Soviets killed the most Germans, that is what counts. They also made the greatest advances and captured the capital alone in 17 days, which is a feat in and of itself, on top of fewer casualties and what Wikipedia says was a "decisive Soviet victory".
Seems you are really just getting all your views and knowledge from Wikipedia...
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Yes the soviets did not have the fewest casualties...
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
3 Apr 2016, 20:27
The Soviets did not have experience in combat...
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:33
Like how can anybody argue that the soviet union were better off at all during the cold war...
its just denying the facts completely..
then they argue its all false info.. just stop being so stubborn.. I would have more respect for those who can come out and say they were wrong..
for example Ronald Reagan, I have the most respect for..
A liberal who then became a conservative, and one of the best Presidents of the USA...
and by far the funniest
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
3 Apr 2016, 20:35
oceanhawk wrote:
for example Ronald Reagan, I have the most respect for..
A liberal who then became a conservative, and one of the best Presidents of the USA...
Correct.
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:42
oceanhawk wrote:
for example Ronald Reagan, I have the most respect for..
Ronald Reagan lead to dead Marines in Beirut, which has nothing to do with WWII.
Maximilien wrote:
The Soviets did not have experience in combat...
Untrue, this is a baseless fact.
oceanhawk wrote:
Seems you are really just getting all your views and knowledge from Wikipedia
Wikipedia is, generally, unbiased and has sources. Therefore, it is a good source of knowledge. At least I have sources.
oceanhawk wrote:
Yes the soviets did not have the fewest casualties...
You cannot read either? I said the Soviets had the fewest casualties in Berlin.
Not A Communist wrote:
The French Army was obviously the best...
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3 Apr 2016, 20:47
Quasi-duck wrote:
Untrue, this is a baseless fact.
Stalin began the great purges in the Soviet army during the 1930s. This caused most of the generals were inexperienced in combat and no experience.The Red Army had weapons and basically consisted of weapons dating from the first world war. The Red Army lost 30,000,000 million soldiers! Soviet aviation could not fight against the German aviation!
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:50
Maximilien wrote:
This caused most of the generals were inexperienced in combat and no experience.
No, it was just older generals who had no idea about modern warfare. The average infantryman was trained though. Then we have others like Zhukov and the like, who ruled in combat.
Maximilien wrote:
basically consisted of weapons dating from the first world war.
Most countries did but most tech was new, that being all aircraft, machine guns, anything to with tanks, artillery, and a lot of small arms.
3 Apr 2016, 20:51
Maximilien wrote:
Soviet aviation could not fight against the German aviation!
This is untrue, just look at Stalingrad. When it was cut off from the Germans, the Soviets had air superiority and destroyed most aircraft that were there to resupply the Germans by air. Although when any supplies did get through, they were usually summer uniforms and expired food.
3 Apr 2016, 20:52
Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
This caused most of the generals were inexperienced in combat and no experience.
No, it was just older generals who had no idea about modern warfare. The average infantryman was trained though. Then we have others like Zhukov and the like, who ruled in combat.
Maximilien wrote:
basically consisted of weapons dating from the first world war.
Most countries did but most tech was new, that being all aircraft, machine guns, anything to with tanks, artillery, and a lot of small arms.
The Red Army was ineffective.
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:53
Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
Soviet aviation could not fight against the German aviation!
This is untrue, just look at Stalingrad. When it was cut off from the Germans, the Soviets had air superiority and destroyed most aircraft that were there to resupply the Germans by air. Although when any supplies did get through, they were usually summer uniforms and expired food.
The Soviets lost 3,000,000 of soldiers in Stalingrad. Stalingrad infrastructure was destroyed. Soviet aviation could hardly combat with the German aviation. The Soviets had to fight among the ruins of the city!
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:55
Maximilien wrote:
The Red Army was ineffective.
The Germans must've been pretty crap to lose against them if what you say is true, even worse than the French or Italians.
Maximilien wrote:
Soviet aviation could hardly combat with the German aviation
It could, that is why the Germans were unable to resupply by air.
Maximilien wrote:
The Soviets had to fight among the ruins of the city!
As did the Germans.
3 Apr 2016, 20:56
Quasi-duck wrote:
oceanhawk wrote:
for example Ronald Reagan, I have the most respect for..
Ronald Reagan lead to dead Marines in Beirut, which has nothing to do with WWII.
Maximilien wrote:
The Soviets did not have experience in combat...
Untrue, this is a baseless fact.
oceanhawk wrote:
Seems you are really just getting all your views and knowledge from Wikipedia
Wikipedia is, generally, unbiased and has sources. Therefore, it is a good source of knowledge. At least I have sources.
oceanhawk wrote:
Yes the soviets did not have the fewest casualties...
You cannot read either? I said the Soviets had the fewest casualties in Berlin.
Not A Communist wrote:
Well he seems to be one of the few presidents who understood what the laffer curve is...
that enough is a reason to vote..
The soviets were the worst army.. just sheer production as well as no regard for their soldiers.
Every single argument you have ever made.. is irrelevant jezz, I have sources, no need to quote as they just well known facts..
Wikipedia is not a trusted source, and you cannot base your knowledge off that..
The soviets had no casualties in Berlin, cos every German were running to the allies..
They knew the allied forces were an Honorable army, no some communist army.
just this scene says what I mean...
Spoiler
just a more respectful surrender
I would never have surrendered to the soviets...
If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists -Friedrich von Haye
3 Apr 2016, 20:57
According to you, the Soviet army was better than the American army and the German army, correct? @Quasi-duck
"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius. "Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.
3 Apr 2016, 20:58
Duck accept the facts.. the German army was a superior fighting force
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