What was the best army in WW2?
The Red Army:
The British Army:
The USA Army:
The Japonese Army:
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The Germany Army, "The Wehrmacht"
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This is a debate.
Rules of the debate:
-Will have to provide information from by that you think that your choice is the best army.
-You shall respect the forum rules.
just because they were written by brits doesnt mean anything...Quasi-duck wrote:
Pfft, that book is the history of the Earth! SInce it is a book, it must be true. Anyway, countless history books are wrong. For example, most books about the 1916 Rising and the War of Independence written by Brits.
eitherway everybody in ireland thinks they are an expert in 1916 and they are all idiots..
Guys, can we get back on topic here?
Considering how many Soviets died in the German advance (which originally consisted of 2 million men), the Germans were far better. Hitler could've easily won the war if he was more sane. Some of his generals were the best of the whole war. The Soviets only won because A: the Germans ran out of fuel, and B: Hitler though the war would be over before winter.
Correct!Kehsct wrote:
Guys, can we get back on topic here?
What do you think about the Japonese Army?
What do you think? @TankBuster
Folks, let us cite sources if we are going to claim to be a "historian". 
And remember, only when one loses their argument do they resort to insults.
Now, how was the Japanese army compared to that of the other axis?
The Japanese army was fanatical and effective in combat early on, but when faced with modern technology and soldiers trained/ready for war, they fell easily. One example is from the book "A Dawn Like Thunder" on page 244 and 245. Colonel Kiyonao Ichiki assaulted a position on Guadalcanal held by the 1st Marines. He was a veteran from the Phillipines, and thought the allied troops would run in the face of his night attack. Instead, the marines who had no night fighting or all-out assault training (much less by elite shock troops), cut them all down. It was 100 Marines versus 900 Japanese. Only a few were able to get close enough for hand to hand combat.
Japanese army was a superior force to the chines both nationalist and communist, and they where amazing fighters not surrendering and fighting to the death. There technology lacked and after the american navy built up to size they where done for. Look at some of the battles that took so much long to end to the fact that they would fight to the death. And they where the first nation to invade american land. Knowing that american had not been invaded scene the war of 1812 thats a amazing accomplishment.
These 2 armies won the war okay, goodgame.
The Germans were far better at the beginning of their treacherous attack on USSR, as they have easily conquered all of Europe and had real battle experience in modern warfare with all the new machinery. After USSR caught up in technology, it was even, that is until those first trained and experienced 2 mln you mentioned found their "peace" in Russia. After Stalingrad , no army was a match for USSR. USA and great Britain realized it as well, that is why they rushed to open a second front, so USSR would not take over all of Europe.Kehsct wrote:
Guys, can we get back on topic here?Considering how many Soviets died in the German advance (which originally consisted of 2 million men), the Germans were far better. Hitler could've easily won the war if he was more sane. Some of his generals were the best of the whole war. The Soviets only won because A: the Germans ran out of fuel, and B: Hitler though the war would be over before winter.
Napoleon also thought he could take on RUssia , but we all know what happened to him, just as the Swedish Carl XII one hundred years before him. The West does not seem to learn not to mess with Russia. ))), after so many many lessons, they are still trying to mess with it today... what is it if not stupidity and ignorance? 
Not really I learned that the allies won the war together no where in my text books did it ever say "USA Won the war by themselves" and I doubt any other country is like that. maybe in USA they do that but not in Ireland or most other European countries.MihailMD wrote:
Europe is influenced by USA, all the history that is taught around WWII is based on American propaganda, thus it does not really matter whether he is Irish, french , English etc
The only reason the USSR was so unstoppable was Stalin's disregard for soldiers, it's industrial might brought on by Stalin's Communist principles, and the Communism ideology backing the whole thing.MihailMD wrote:
The Germans were far better at the beginning of their treacherous attack on USSR, as they have easily conquered all of Europe and had real battle experience in modern warfare with all the new machinery. After USSR caught up in technology, it was even, that is until those first trained and experienced 2 mln you mentioned found their "peace" in Russia. After Stalingrad , no army was a match for USSR. USA and great Britain realized it as well, that is why they rushed to open a second front, so USSR would not take over all of Europe.Napoleon also thought he could take on RUssia , but we all know what happened to him, just as the Swedish Carl XII one hundred years before him. The West does not seem to learn not to mess with Russia. ))), after so many many lessons, they are still trying to mess with it today... what is it if not stupidity and ignorance?Kehsct wrote:
Guys, can we get back on topic here?Considering how many Soviets died in the German advance (which originally consisted of 2 million men), the Germans were far better. Hitler could've easily won the war if he was more sane. Some of his generals were the best of the whole war. The Soviets only won because A: the Germans ran out of fuel, and B: Hitler though the war would be over before winter.
I don't think U.S. textbooks say that, but that it's just popular belief. However, in the many books I've read (30 to 50), only one really showed the problems with Allied troops and technology (notably America and Britain, USSR fully embraced the cannon fodder principle)._King_Broseidon_ wrote:
Not really I learned that the allies won the war together no where in my text books did it ever say "USA Won the war by themselves" and I doubt any other country is like that. maybe in USA they do that but not in Ireland or most other European countries.MihailMD wrote:
Europe is influenced by USA, all the history that is taught around WWII is based on American propaganda, thus it does not really matter whether he is Irish, french , English etc
It has nothing to do with Stalin or communism. It is Russian people that could not be beaten. They were defending their families and motherland.Kehsct wrote:
The only reason the USSR was so unstoppable was Stalin's disregard for soldiers, it's industrial might brought on by Stalin's Communist principles, and the Communism ideology backing the whole thing.
As I said above, In 20th century Hitler invaded and Russia captured Berlin
In 19th Century Napoleon invaded Russia and Russia captured Paris,
in 18th Century Carl XII invaded and Sweden has fought another war for 200 years ( at least somebody learned )
I can go on, but you should get the point.
The army of the Empire of Japan was an army loyal to his Emperor and very effective in combat.Sir McSquiggles wrote:
Now, how was the Japanese army compared to that of the other axis?
_King_Broseidon_ wrote:
These 2 armies won the war okay, goodgame.
Correct.Gen.Jamison wrote:
Japanese army was a superior force to the chines both nationalist and communist, and they where amazing fighters not surrendering and fighting to the death. There technology lacked and after the american navy built up to size they where done for. Look at some of the battles that took so much long to end to the fact that they would fight to the death. And they where the first nation to invade american land. Knowing that american had not been invaded scene the war of 1812 thats a amazing accomplishment.
Great answer! What do you think about the kamikazes?Kehsct wrote:
The Japanese army was fanatical and effective in combat early on, but when faced with modern technology and soldiers trained/ready for war, they fell easily. One example is from the book "A Dawn Like Thunder" on page 244 and 245. Colonel Kiyonao Ichiki assaulted a position on Guadalcanal held by the 1st Marines. He was a veteran from the Phillipines, and thought the allied troops would run in the face of his night attack. Instead, the marines who had no night fighting or all-out assault training (much less by elite shock troops), cut them all down. It was 100 Marines versus 900 Japanese. Only a few were able to get close enough for hand to hand combat.
@Quasi-duck what do you think about Japonese Army?
Correct.Kehsct wrote:
The only reason the USSR was so unstoppable was Stalin's disregard for soldiers, it's industrial might brought on by Stalin's Communist principles, and the Communism ideology backing the whole thing.MihailMD wrote:
The Germans were far better at the beginning of their treacherous attack on USSR, as they have easily conquered all of Europe and had real battle experience in modern warfare with all the new machinery. After USSR caught up in technology, it was even, that is until those first trained and experienced 2 mln you mentioned found their "peace" in Russia. After Stalingrad , no army was a match for USSR. USA and great Britain realized it as well, that is why they rushed to open a second front, so USSR would not take over all of Europe.Napoleon also thought he could take on RUssia , but we all know what happened to him, just as the Swedish Carl XII one hundred years before him. The West does not seem to learn not to mess with Russia. ))), after so many many lessons, they are still trying to mess with it today... what is it if not stupidity and ignorance?Kehsct wrote:
Guys, can we get back on topic here?Considering how many Soviets died in the German advance (which originally consisted of 2 million men), the Germans were far better. Hitler could've easily won the war if he was more sane. Some of his generals were the best of the whole war. The Soviets only won because A: the Germans ran out of fuel, and B: Hitler though the war would be over before winter.
