What was the best army in WW2? II.

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

The Japanese army was fanatical and effective in combat early on, but when faced with modern technology and soldiers trained/ready for war, they fell easily. One example is from the book "A Dawn Like Thunder" on page 244 and 245. Colonel Kiyonao Ichiki assaulted a position on Guadalcanal held by the 1st Marines. He was a veteran from the Phillipines, and thought the allied troops would run in the face of his night attack. Instead, the marines who had no night fighting or all-out assault training (much less by elite shock troops), cut them all down. It was 100 Marines versus 900 Japanese. Only a few were able to get close enough for hand to hand combat.

Great answer! What do you think about the kamikazes?

Considering the kamikazes did most of the damage dealt to American vessels late war in the Pacific, I think they were a good (although suicidal) idea that was backed up by their Bushido ideology.

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

The Japanese army was fanatical and effective in combat early on, but when faced with modern technology and soldiers trained/ready for war, they fell easily. One example is from the book "A Dawn Like Thunder" on page 244 and 245. Colonel Kiyonao Ichiki assaulted a position on Guadalcanal held by the 1st Marines. He was a veteran from the Phillipines, and thought the allied troops would run in the face of his night attack. Instead, the marines who had no night fighting or all-out assault training (much less by elite shock troops), cut them all down. It was 100 Marines versus 900 Japanese. Only a few were able to get close enough for hand to hand combat.

Great answer! What do you think about the kamikazes?

Considering the kamikazes did most of the damage dealt to American vessels late war in the Pacific, I think they were a good (although suicidal) idea that was backed up by their Bushido ideology.

Correct! The great Japanese resistance and damage to the battleships of the United States, influenced the decision to launch the atomic bombs to Japan.

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

The Japanese army was fanatical and effective in combat early on, but when faced with modern technology and soldiers trained/ready for war, they fell easily. One example is from the book "A Dawn Like Thunder" on page 244 and 245. Colonel Kiyonao Ichiki assaulted a position on Guadalcanal held by the 1st Marines. He was a veteran from the Phillipines, and thought the allied troops would run in the face of his night attack. Instead, the marines who had no night fighting or all-out assault training (much less by elite shock troops), cut them all down. It was 100 Marines versus 900 Japanese. Only a few were able to get close enough for hand to hand combat.

Great answer! What do you think about the kamikazes?

Considering the kamikazes did most of the damage dealt to American vessels late war in the Pacific, I think they were a good (although suicidal) idea that was backed up by their Bushido ideology.

Correct! The great Japanese resistance and damage to the battleships of the United States, influenced the decision to launch the atomic bombs to Japan.

We mainly launched the atomic bombs due to the high probability of unacceptably high casualties (look at Okinawa, then imagine us invading their homeland). I support the dropping of the bombs.

Kehsct wrote:

I support the dropping of the bombs.

The release of atom bombs, is another issue.

Maximilien wrote:

The release of atom bombs, is another issue.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

The release of atom bombs, is another issue.

Issue? Have you seen the photos of what the Japanese did in China? The special groups they had that tested anything on civilians? How about the planned Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night?

But this, is another thread!

The German army was pretty prepared and trained than the other armies. The only mistake of the German high command was to open a second front in 1941 with the Invasion of Soviet Union!

Maximilien wrote:

The German army was pretty prepared and trained than the other armies. The only mistake of the German high command was to open a second front in 1941 with the Invasion of Soviet Union!

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

The German army was pretty prepared and trained than the other armies. The only mistake of the German high command was to open a second front in 1941 with the Invasion of Soviet Union!

I don't agree. The German High Command make a lot of mistakes. That was the most prominent, but don't forget about Dunkirk. Or the direction of research. Or the North African campaign's lack of supplies.

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

The German army was pretty prepared and trained than the other armies. The only mistake of the German high command was to open a second front in 1941 with the Invasion of Soviet Union!

I don't agree. The German High Command make a lot of mistakes. That was the most prominent, but don't forget about Dunkirk. Or the direction of research. Or the North African campaign's lack of supplies.

Germany could have won the war if in Dunkerque the Allied troops had not been able to escape!

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

The German army was pretty prepared and trained than the other armies. The only mistake of the German high command was to open a second front in 1941 with the Invasion of Soviet Union!

I don't agree. The German High Command make a lot of mistakes. That was the most prominent, but don't forget about Dunkirk. Or the direction of research. Or the North African campaign's lack of supplies.

Germany could have won the war if in Dunkerque the Allied troops had not been able to escape!

True. Britain would've probably surrendered then (330+k troops) if Dunkirk was attacked by tanks instead of planes. Then there would be no launching point for D-Day. The North African campaign would be successful. Operation Barbarossa may have been even more successful in the beginning, leading to victory in Russia. That one area could've decided the fate of the entire war.

Remember, only around 100,000 British troops made it off of Dunkirk. Most were French!

Also, conquering Britain was not Germany's goal, as is often forgotten. Hitler respected the West and even loved Native Americans (even though he had never met one and all he knew about them was from far-fetched fiction stories). The original prize was lebensraum in the USSR.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Remember, only around 100,000 British troops made it off of Dunkirk. Most were French!

Also, conquering Britain was not Germany's goal, as is often forgotten. Hitler respected the West and even loved Native Americans (even though he had never met one and all he knew about them was from far-fetched fiction stories). The original prize was lebensraum in the USSR.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Remember, only around 100,000 British troops made it off of Dunkirk. Most were French!

Also, conquering Britain was not Germany's goal, as is often forgotten. Hitler respected the West and even loved Native Americans (even though he had never met one and all he knew about them was from far-fetched fiction stories). The original prize was lebensraum in the USSR.

But the Soviet army would not so easily given the victory.

Kehsct wrote:

Quasi-duck wrote:

Remember, only around 100,000 British troops made it off of Dunkirk. Most were French!

Also, conquering Britain was not Germany's goal, as is often forgotten. Hitler respected the West and even loved Native Americans (even though he had never met one and all he knew about them was from far-fetched fiction stories). The original prize was lebensraum in the USSR.

Yeah. He just wanted Britain to surrender.

Kehsct wrote:

Yeah. He just wanted Britain to surrender.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Kehsct wrote:

Yeah. He just wanted Britain to surrender.

Totally. That, and the shortage of ammunition on top of the repositioning of troops, was the reason for the Phoney War. Did you know that Goering was in tears when he heard the outbreak of the war? Most German generals didn't want it, especially Goering. He knew it would be an end to his luxurious lifestyle in the lap of luxury.

Kehsct wrote:

Oh wow. I've never heard of that.

Hardcover, 700 pages, non-fiction, sounds like my kind of book.