Good to all, my name is Jack, today I bring an interesting topic .Which was the best army of the Second World war?
In my opinion the best army of the Second World war was the Army of the USA and the British army, the prowesses realized by the American Army I surprise greatly,but what more I value, is the British resistance opposite to the German Army, the great resistance and dedication that the British soldiers did for a free and democratic Europe,it is for this motive, that in my opinion for me, the best army of the Second World war was the British Army.
And for you, which was is he the best army of the Second World war?
It amazes me still how some people talk with such conviction about subjects they don't truly understand.mio123 wrote:
3- brits didn't produced bombers till the US came so who a fighter would damage a tank?
Try looking up Halifax Bomber or Sterling Bomber, both of these were designed and entered service before America even considered entering the war.
No but they could kill lots of infantry men while disembarking which would leave Hitler's tanks empty or full of dead corpses.mio123 wrote:
3- brits didn't produced bombers till the US came so who a fighter would damage a tank?
The fact the swordfish was so far behind in tech is its greatest strategy, air defences weren't calibrated to be that slow.
I would just like to point out that the Russians are still the best. They are the only country who flew a tank.
*facepalm*
Russkies only won 'cos of the weather and infinte manpower.
You really are stupid. Heard of the IL-2(M) Sturmovik? Had so much armour it could even take hits from AA cannons. If you overlook a countries greatest abilities, you are an idiot.
UK only won because of it's colonies and infinite morale. That doesn't count(joke)!
Ever heard about Hitler? He was the guy that made Germany fail in Russia.
Ever heard of Hitler? He's the guy that conquered most of Europe. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the guy that bent democracy to his will. Ever heard of Hitler? He is the guy that will forever remind us of just how bad war can get.
Ever. Heard. Of. Hitler?
Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that caused the death of 50 million peole. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the guy that decided that helping Mussolini against the tiny Greek army was more important than attacking the Soviet Union. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the guy that ordered the murder of Rommel. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that killed 11 million Jews. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one who cancelled Germany's weapons programs after the Fall of France because he was so confident he'd won. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that ordered the Luftwaffe to bomb British cities instead of destroying the RAF. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that gave the 'no-retreat' order against the Russians, meaning the loss of thousands of good men. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that declared war on the USA, whose industrial power caused his defeat. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that ordered the attack on Kursk even though he knew the Russians were waiting. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that ordered his armies to attack Stalingrad and the Caucasus oil fields, spreading his armies far too thin. Ever heard of Hitler? He's the one that...
Stalin was way worse.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that caused the death of 50 million peole
It is called being faithful to your ally.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the guy that decided that helping Mussolini against the tiny Greek army was more important than the Soviet Union
Thou ist thine own teacher of English.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the guy that ordered the murder of Rommel
I more or less said that.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that killed 11 million Jews
It is easy to assume things when your enemy fled in defeat. Twice. I have also said this before.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one who cancelled Germany's weapons programs after the Fall of France because he was so confident he'd won.
In revenge for Berlin. The Luftwaffe was Goering's job anyway, blame him.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that ordered the Luftwaffe to bomb British cities instead of destroying the RAF
I take it you haven't heard of his plans to stage a breakout and resupply via aircraft.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that gave the 'no-retreat' order against the Russians, meaning the loss of thousands of good men
He was showing his faith to Japan. US would've stuck their head in anyway.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that declared war on the USA, whose industrial power caused his defeat
The best sight is hindsight.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that ordered the attack on Kursk even though he knew the Russians were waiting
His troops were fine, it was his allies that couldn't cover his arse that screwed up.Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that ordered his armies to attack Stalingrad and the Caucasus oil fields, spreading his armies far too thin
Care to share?Pablo22510 wrote:
He's the one that...
By the by, I don't like Hitler. I am defending myself, not him. He was truly a vile man.
In 1940 the RAF hadn't bombed Berlin, and it was Hitler who gave that order.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
In revenge for Berlin. The Luftwaffe was Goering's job anyway, blame him.
Germany attacked the SU alone?Butter Ball Bill wrote:
His troops were fine, it was his allies that couldn't cover his arse that screwed up.
The USA would've obviously concentrated on Japan. Probably never would've declared war on Hitler. After all, the American public opinion was pro-Hitler. Churchill himself wrote in his memoirs that he slept well that day.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
He was showing his faith to Japan. US would've stuck their head in anyway.
I take it you haven't heard that it was this order that meant the loss of 200,000 men at Stalingrad, meaning his defeat?Butter Ball Bill wrote:
I take it you haven't heard of his plans to stage a breakout and resupply via aircraft.
He was planning to attack the Soviet Union since he worte 'Mein Kampf' (1929, I believe). He was over-confident and cancelled the programs. And Britain still resisted.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
It is easy to assume things when your enemy fled in defeat.
I could go on.
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It is called misplacement of priorities.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
It is called being faithful to your ally.
Whatevs bro.Pablo22510 wrote:
In 1940 the RAF hadn't bombed Berlin, and it was Hitler who gave that order.
He had Italian, Romanian and Hungarian troops with him. Did you not know this? Look it up.Pablo22510 wrote:
Germany attacked the SU alone?
Not after sinking American ships and killing many American men.Pablo22510 wrote:
After all, the American public opinion was pro-Hitler
I think it was more 180k but two front wars are hard. He managed to do a good job slowing them down at Seelow heights and the Bulge would've gone better if the para had been deployed as infantry(they were either shot down or fled).Pablo22510 wrote:
I take it you haven't heard that it was this order that meant the loss of 200,000 men at Stalingrad, meaning his defeat?
They didn't counter for years and only could eventually due to the Eastern Front.Pablo22510 wrote:
And Britain still resisted.
Please do.Pablo22510 wrote:
I could go on.
I wouldn't like you as my ally.Pablo22510 wrote:
It is called misplacement of priorities.
thanksButter Ball Bill wrote:
I wouldn't like you as my ally.
Commandos, African and Italian front.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
They didn't counter for years and only could eventually due to the Eastern Front.
As you pointed out, slowing down. Wouldn't be in full retreat if it wasn't for his order of no-retreat that cost him 180k men.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
I think it was more 180k but two front wars are hard. He managed to do a good job slowing them down at Seelow heights and the Bulge would've gone better if the para had been deployed as infantry(they were either shot down or fled).
Sorry, mixed my words. Not pro-Hitler, but definitely not pro-war against Germany,Butter Ball Bill wrote:
Not after sinking American ships and killing many American men.
And Spanish too, lol. Knew this, but these troops barely did anything. Hitler was victim of his own mistakes.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
He had Italian, Romanian and Hungarian troops with him. Did you not know this? Look it up.
Beat you there.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
Whatevs bro.
I meant France, where it mattered. Should've said that.Pablo22510 wrote:
Commandos, African and Italian front
I mixed my words too. They halted the advance completely and induced heavy casualties while falling back gradually.Pablo22510 wrote:
As you pointed out, slowing down
They certainly were pro war against Germany.Pablo22510 wrote:
not pro-war against Germany
Aren't we all? He needed the oil so he tried his best to get it but the Russians were too good. Another thing to note is that there was around 1 million Soviet troops at the Stalingrad counter attack.Pablo22510 wrote:
Hitler was victim of his own mistakes.
No. I have read boks about this, and it was certainly not pro-war against germany. Germany was the Brits' problem, Japan was the Americans' problem.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
They certainly were pro war against Germany.
Exactly! And Hitler didn't order his troops to retreat!Butter Ball Bill wrote:
Another thing to note is that there was around 1 million Soviet troops at the Stalingrad counter attack.
Didn't halt it completely, and were still falling back.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
They halted the advance completely and induced heavy casualties while falling back gradually.
Italy and Africa, as well as commando raids, asborbed a great amount of Germany's troops and resources.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
I meant France, where it mattered. Should've said that.
Books can be wrong. Like the Bible.Pablo22510 wrote:
No. I have read boks about this, and it was certainly not pro-war against germany. Germany was the Brits' problem, Japan was the Americans' problem.
He didn't know.Pablo22510 wrote:
Exactly! And Hitler didn't order his troops to retreat!
You didn't understand that, did you? They fell back while still holding the same line. Troops left and the line thinned, yet they still held.Pablo22510 wrote:
Didn't halt it completely, and were still falling back.
You mean Dieppe? That thing was a fail. As for Italy and Africa, those just prove my points even further. Hitler managed to hold a THREE front war for multiple years.Pablo22510 wrote:
commando raids
*cries*
Why? I'm supporting myself, not Hitler. That guy was a moron. A smart moron, but still a moron.comrade dave wrote:
*cries*
BUt if several books say the same thing, it tends to be right.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
Books can be wrong. Like the Bible.
Everybody expected an imminent counterattack. After all, it was Stalin's city.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
He didn't know.
Taking heavy casualties. And no need to fall back if you hadn't lost at Stalingrad anyway.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
You didn't understand that, did you? They fell back while still holding the same line. Troops left and the line thinned, yet they still held.
Dieppe was a fail. but Operation Chariot wasn't. Nor was Operation Archery. Nor was Operation Claymore. nor was Operation Anklet.Butter Ball Bill wrote:
You mean Dieppe? That thing was a fail. As for Italy and Africa, those just prove my points even further. Hitler managed to hold a THREE front war for multiple years.
First of all it was a two-front war, since Africa and Italy weren't going at the same time. Western Front and Eastern Front. And he woudl't have had to happen if he hadn't failed in the first place.
A quick story about Hitler's military stupidity:
At one point in the middle of the war the British bomber force was causing big problems for Germany, about a thousand British bombers would fly over Germany and carpet bomb some target almost every night. The Brits bombed at night because they couldn’t replace their losses, so they sacrificed accuracy for safety. The Luftwaffe had a great idea, lone German long range fighters would lurk around British airbases and attack British bombers as they came in to land in the morning light. (The radars of the time couldn’t really track single planes flying at low altitude.) It was very effective and downed a number of irreplaceable British bombers and their crews. If it had continued at the very least the Allies would have been forced to divert significant air power to defend against a small number of Germans, and it might have even severely crippled the British bombing campaign.
So what did Hitler do when he heard about this clever program to defend against the British bomber fleet? Iron crosses all around? Nope, Hitler basically said “Nein, nein nein, the Luftwaffe must shoot down the British bombers over Germany, not England, so that the German people can see the wreckage of the British bombers and be encouraged!” Hitler cancelled the program, and the British high command (not to mention the British bomber crews) breathed a big sigh of relief when German planes stopped appearing out of nowhere to shoot them down as they landed.
I will not fold! A little story about Hitler's genius.
The day before his invasion of the Sudetenland, Hitler had a party. Where he had a chat with everyone. While writing three speeches at once for the Czechs, Germans and the rest of the world. Impressive, right?
