He was terrible, but whatever.
Your Favourite Military Commander
Copying Butter Ball Bill's idea of the prettiest plane of all times, I bring up the topic of your favourite military commander. No time limits. Only requirement is that he/she actually existes/exists.
Having said all of that, I would go for Patton.

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My leading military favorites: Blas de Lezo, Julio CΓ©sar, Alexander the Great and finally to Douglas MacArthur.
A greeting.


Blas de Lezo, #legendforever.
Pablo22510 wrote:
Blas de Lezo, #legendforever.
Blas de Lezo y Olavarrieta (3 February 1689 β 7 September 1741) was a Spanish admiral best remembered for the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741) in modern-day Colombia, where the Spaniards resisted a siege by a combined British force under the command of Admiral Vernon.

#legendforeverJack Kennedy. wrote:
Blas de Lezo y Olavarrieta (3 February 1689 β 7 September 1741) was a Spanish admiral best remembered for the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741) in modern-day Colombia, where the Spaniards resisted a siege by a combined British force under the command of Admiral Vernon.

Pablo. It isn't The tools that win the battle,it's the hands that use them, the Americans didn't send their doughboys to win it for us, intelligence was a key part of Monty's battleplan (except Arnhem) and the lrdg was almost cancelled by Auckinleck, not a very well known fact, but Monty got to Africa in time to save the group and use it more effectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
First of all, I am not being 'stupid'. It's just my opinion supported by evidence. Let me detail my theory a bit more.
At El Alamein, Rommel had next to nothing in fuel for his tanks. Pretty big handicap.
Montgomery got everything he had, and put it together at El Alamein. Like I said, sheer numbers. If Rommel had won, he would have taken the Middle Eat, driven on to the Caucasus oil fields and the world would have been different.
The Shermans made the difference. I don't think Panzers can be beaten with Matilda IIs.
And Arnhem was completely Monty's fault. No intel or planning whatsoever! Sicily was easy, and it was mainly Patton's 7th Army who beat the Italians, and, as we all know, the Italians don't exactly have a reputation for fighting on until the end. Italy was a pushover too, and Eisenhower was the genius behind D-Day. The British landings were a pushover, anyway. Tough resistance only at Omaha.
Look. I love how the Brits resisted for that year without support. I love Sir Alan Brooke. I think Churchill is the best politician that ever existed. I love the SAS. I love Field Marshal Sir Miles Dempsey. But Montgomery. No. Too cautious. Too bad. I don't like him, and the books I've read about the Second World War don't exactly portray him as a military genius, either.
The British had the hard job of fighting back the tough resistance in Sicily and tying down most if the SS divisions in Normandy. Of which Monty's perhaps accidental skill held them down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
The reason American D-day went bad was 'cause they didn't have very many Funnies.
Mess with the Bill, you get the scorn!
The D-Day could have ended better if the paratroopers weren't displaced and if the soldiers attacking on the beaches bould hold back for some more time while the paratroopers did their job. And then advance onto the beaches whith the ships before the disembarkment shot at the miniguns and partialy destry them. Then smaller vessels with miniguns attached to them could make covering fire while the men would advance to the bunkers.
-George S. Patton
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"
- Albert Einstein
Omaha was heavily fortified, unlike the others. Sicily was a pushover, and Patton took the brunt of it. Normandy was ok by Monty, but Dempsey was the real mastermind.
The paras did amazingly well.FilipALFA wrote:
The D-Day could have ended better if the paratroopers weren't displaced and if the soldiers attacking on the beaches bould hold back for some more time while the paratroopers did their job.
Yeah, drowning in a damn bog really helped win the war...Pablo22510 wrote:
The paras did amazingly well.
Mess with the Bill, you get the scorn!
I know they did thats why they were one of the best trained men in the millitary.Pablo22510 wrote:
The paras did amazingly well.FilipALFA wrote:
The D-Day could have ended better if the paratroopers weren't displaced and if the soldiers attacking on the beaches bould hold back for some more time while the paratroopers did their job.
-George S. Patton
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"
- Albert Einstein
Um, no. Ever heard of pack AT guns at a choke point?FilipALFA wrote:
best trained men in the millitary
Mess with the Bill, you get the scorn!
Ok, one of the best.
-George S. Patton
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"
- Albert Einstein
Butter Ball Bill hates paras, don't talk too much about them.FilipALFA wrote:
I know they did thats why they were one of the best trained men in the millitary.
My MT could beat your para any day of the week. Just let me choose the battlefield!
Mess with the Bill, you get the scorn!
Ok, Bill I haven't said anything lol
-George S. Patton
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"
- Albert Einstein
Ok.
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