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I remember in the EBB thread, Fox made a meme that depicted him stabbing me with a bayonet. Did I have any objections to this? Not really. He doesn't particularly like me, and that's okay. Of course I didn't ACTUALLY think he was going to knife me, and neither did you clearly because you had no objections to that either. All I'm asking for is consistency, and also why you've chosen not to take your "usual" approach to this type of thing on this thread?

Lady Aragosta wrote:

I contacted TMC privately, and here is what he sent back:

(TL;DR wasn't actually me, someone hacked my account and wrote all this shit.)

Now, I'm not sure if I believe him or not. I want to believe him, that he's not actually that kind of person, but I also know my wanting him not to be like that is clouding my judgement. And I was not the person most insulted by this, and I did not see a lot of the posts that went before that were interpreted as jokes, so it's not my call. Myself, I am inclined to call bullshit until I see more concrete evidence, although I diplomatically did not say so in as many words until I've got more information.

What I messaged back to him can be summarised as a) yes, we all think/thought it was him, but it shocked all of us and served as a very harsh reminder of what can be hidden away on the internet; b) from what I, personally, knew of him before this incident, I find it easier to believe it was a hacker than that it was him; c) a lot of people, particularly Carking and Talvisota, have been very hurt by what was said and will not readily forgive him; d) although I really wish I could I'm not ruling out the possibility that this is all cover-up bullshit to weasel his way out of taking responsibility for his actions; e) according to some others there have been hints that he has these sentiments, but not knowing enough on that subject I'm going to leave those cases out for now; f) I am going to do what I can to work this out between him and the rest of the forum.

If someone could give me more information about those sort of 'joke' posts he's made in the past that would be useful, so I can ask him about that.

ITS FUCKING LIBERTY

Wait hang on...

It might not be, he might be trying to save his own skin, but...... It's believable

Lady Aragosta wrote:

Wait hang on...

Holy hell...

That explains so much.

Now I'm not familiar with this Liberty arsehole, so that never even occurred to me. I really hope you're right.

Lady Aragosta wrote:

Holy hell...

That explains so much.

Now I'm not familiar with this Liberty arsehole, so that never even occurred to me. I really hope you're right.

Imma get some sleep. I'll think about this in the morning.

I never said I would be happy to see TMC hanged. I wouldn't wish that on him (though a knuckle sandwich might be deserved), but him being hanged is him being banned, NOT HIM LITERALLY BEING HANGED. I DO NOT SUPPORT TMC BEING HANGED.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

Of course you don't, I understand that, I like and respect you. But Joe said it was the "happy forum members standing around" or something like that and you cheered that. That makes it hate speech. That you didn't actually want it to happen is secondary; I'm betting 99% of hate speakers will tell you that, there's a very very small ratio of people actually killing someone versus people who say they're going to kill someone. I'm just telling you you crossed a line there, and I really mean it as a friendly advice to be careful about these things, you don't want to become the guy who you hate.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

russ_russ1 wrote:

K.Rokossovski wrote:

Don't throw that in on any thread you see, russ. The case is closed; and as to "the worst guy in the world", I'm assuming for a minute that he never acted on his views, at least not that any one of us know about. Everyone is entitled to his opinion, even if it is an abhorrent one. As Voltaire said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." The massive amount of hate speech he is receiving now (while being banned - he can't even say anything back) is becoming nothing but a series of "desirable opinion" echoes.

Close it and move on.

why do you have a problem with everything I say man ngl whenever I say something it’s like you have to nitpick me and tell me what I did wrong, like if you have a problem with me please discuss it with me in PM’s, I’m getting tired of this

You said you hated him so much not just once or twice, but like ten times, and not just in one thread, but in thee or four. We heard you the first time. Again I tell you what I told you before (and I repeat this only because you're asking for it), saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it stronger or something.

I feel no need to discuss anything with you in PM, we'd quickly derail.

He did send this to me, I see no reason to hide it.

The thing that gets me is that he apologizes in the OBCR thread, in a way that would seem to de-escalate the situation. Why do that if you want to get someone banned?

O-kay. That is somewhat sus. Unless Liberty is trying to make themself look more credible, and somehow that doesn't seem like the sort of forward-thinking they'd do.

It's not impossible it's a different troll with more subtlety, but it's not hugely likely either.

See how many other people can contact him. If it's a cover story there'll probably be inconsistencies popping up eventually.

He’s still in my alliance, even spoke there. Everyone in there can speak to him, which is like 4 people on the forums.

I think libery fucked him up. He might be legit.

How would he have, though…?

Carking the 6th wrote:

He did send this to me, I see no reason to hide it.

The thing that gets me is that he apologizes in the OBCR thread, in a way that would seem to de-escalate the situation. Why do that if you want to get someone banned?

I mean, does liberty have the ability to hack someone's account?

I may have heard him troll, but never hack... he'll usually just make a new acc and then trolls.

The way TMC speaks is original... I can't buy his "thing".

Not in a "hacked" way, y'know?

The thing with hacking is not easy.

Not any people can do it, not Liberty....

If TMC was really HACKED for sure... why would he'd assumed someone who has grudged on him? If it was Liberty, why it didn't chase others that have the most beef with him? I mean, out of any possibilities... why TMC?

That's not coincidence, and no.

I can't believe into his thing for a good reason.

The way he argued is different, Liberty would just be throwing some racial slurs, stupid statements, and lots of dumb things...

No way that it's Liberty.

Even if it's San... it's hard to say why San picked TMC, shouldn't he pick Car instead due to the amount of influence he has in the RP or any mods who were in the RP?

There's no way he got hacked and say "Oh my god... I just logged in and saw some horrible stuff" while in the last message on the forums he apologized.

If I were to have a grudge on someone on RP, I would be picking the "Big guys" first to destroy their reputations for good, and will swap their email/password, and if I were to hate them sooo much... I'll get the account banned, alongside their CoW account.

This doesn't make any sense, why? Because, there's should be at least some drastic changes... he was literally arguing and giving link, and stuffs like that about Sharia.

Usually, TMC would go into Car's profile, and gave him some links.

How coincidence as well that he wasn't logged in for 36 hours...?

I mean, because Car also pointed that TMC said about telling him about he would rather speak German than Arabic/other things before he goes insane with this BS few hours ago? Is he trying to cover that up?

I might sound harsh, but if you think about it... it would be logical that he wasn't hacked.

Also, saying that he'll go out from alliance in Car's wall means that... he has access to CoW account? If it was a hacker who'd say that... is it logical if the hacker is hacking TMC's CoW account? But, Aragosta, and Car is talking to the real TMC, right?

How? Just... tell me how he's able to get hacked???

I know a little some brute force hacking or little stuffs about that, but... if I was Liberty, why would I waste my damn time on TMC if I could pick a more known, and influenced people to create a big mass of shit pile in the forums to destroy it?

This is unbelievably sketchy, and I've also encountered people from being banned because of using cheats... saying they were being hacked, and swear they didn't use cheats at all.

He'll need more proof... not just some stories like that.

And plus... chance of him getting hacked is less than 50/50.

I wrote this not because I hate TMC, but I know him for some time.... I'll accept his apology whole if he would just let go of this lies about being hacked.

Carking the 6th wrote:

He did send this to me, I see no reason to hide it.

The thing that gets me is that he apologizes in the OBCR thread, in a way that would seem to de-escalate the situation. Why do that if you want to get someone banned?

He WAS banned for racism temporarily a month ago…