Is normal for a destroyer to loose hp fighting a see convoy?

Zimbrisor wrote:

From what I see the land units cannot fight ships... So how is it that my destroyer that is currently attacking a convoy of tanks and infantry loses hp?!?!?! How can a tank battle on the sea? ))

Pablo22510 wrote:

Well, in a recent update they game convoys a little bit of firepower (makes no sense, I know)

this is insane... so i should expect that at some point an infantry to shut down a rocket? or a star-trek ship to appear? we are making this real or what? )))

Quasi-duck wrote:

Some convoy ships in WWII were armed. With heavy-ish guns, I might add.

Pablo22510 wrote:

AMCs, I know. They were armed, but they didn't carry anything.

Pablo, the SS John W. Brown had a 5 inch gun on it, at one point. That is a 127mm gun.

Quasi-duck wrote:

don't know what you mean by AMC, but I know for a fact that some liberty ships did in fact have guns on them.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo, the SS John W. Brown had a 5 inch gun on it, at one point. That is a 127mm gun.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Armed Merchant C-something. They were British merchant ships armed with guns, but they didn't carry cargo.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Did it carry cargo?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Armed Merchant C-something. They were British merchant ships armed with guns, but they didn't carry cargo.

Ah, like some trawlers then.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Did it carry cargo?

Yup.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Proof?

Maiden voyage, October 1942-March 1943

With loading complete on 14 October 1942, John W. Brown departed New York on 15 October on her maiden voyage, bound for the Persian Gulf, where she would unload her cargo for delivery overland to the Soviet Union.

Ports in the Persian Gulf were overwhelmed by the amount of cargo arriving from Allied countries, and so John W. Brown was forced to lie at anchor for a month until she could begin to unload at Abadan, Iran, where she dropped off the two P-40s and some of the tanks in late January 1943. It took another month and a half until she could enter port at Khorramshahr, Iran, and unload the rest of her cargo in March 1943.^[13]

Armament:

As built:

1 × 5-inch (127-mm)/38-caliber stern gun

7 × Oerlikon 20 mm cannon in single mounts

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_John_W._Brown#Construction

Lots of Armed Merchant ships were used during WW2. Quite a few of them even had 3"-5" guns on them. While rather unusual in a battle against a trained naval vessel(s), it would have been possible for them to inflict damage on a surface foe.

Here is a diagram of a liberty merchant ship from that time as you can see they did indeed have armament on board. while they were not warships they were not defenseless either. If you want to destroy a convoy use subs much better results, surface ships CAN be hit back

BUT this liberty ships is a ship that can carry , but after the unload, the ship continue to exist... or in this game, the convoys exist only loadet on the see... so after disemberk, they sto to exist... so to compare a liberty ships that has many rolle with a simplu convoy for transport, is totally inapropiated....

Zimbrisor wrote:

But Liberty Ships were ships that could carry, but after the unload, the ships continued to exist... In this game, the convoys exist only when loaded and on the sea... So after disembarkment, they cease to exist... So to compare a liberty ship that has many roles with a simple convoy for transport, is totally inappropiated....

Not really. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it;s not their. I mean, do you seriously think everybody eats nothing but ears of corn? Or that tanks are purely made of metal, no glass, leather, etc? Our soldiers have no metal consumption, meaning they should consume no rounds. Does everyone beat each other to death with their guns?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Not really. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it;s not their. I mean, do you seriously think everybody eats nothing but ears of corn? Or that tanks are purely made of metal, no glass, leather, etc? Our soldiers have no metal consumption, meaning they should consume no rounds. Does everyone beat each other to death with their guns?

actually u again are wrong... i do not say i can not see it... the point is that after the unload, that existing or not, seeing or not, ship that remain after do not shoot... and the liberty ships, he fire with his gunn when he has tank on board and when he do not have... so the ship actualy fire, and in the game, actually the tank fire... so is no reality in here... is like u attack a carrier, and the carrier has not defense, but the planes on the carrier start to fire even if they are on the ground )))

That doesn't make much sense.

what is not clear? do tha tank from liberty fire? NO.... do the liberty fire also without a tank on it? YES... so the ships has nothing to do with the cargo that he carry... liberty is a transportation ship... the convoys are not, cause they do not fire , the tank on it supposed oto do that.... so if we make a new unit: transportor, then yes, that unit can fire... but if we only have some little invisible ship that carry a tank, a tank that at some point can fire in a sub... then that is insane ))

Zimbrisor wrote:

what is not clear? do tha tank from liberty fire? NO.... do the liberty fire also without a tank on it? YES... so the ships has nothing to do with the cargo that he carry... liberty is a transportation ship... the convoys are not, cause they do not fire , the tank on it supposed oto do that.... so if we make a new unit: transportor, then yes, that unit can fire... but if we only have some little invisible ship that carry a tank, a tank that at some point can fire in a sub... then that is insane ))