Nuke damage to hidden units

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Claudio NVKP wrote:

Any hidden unit that gets bombarded by a non nuke unit, doesn't recieve damage

Vanrendo wrote:

Claudio NVKP wrote:

Any hidden unit that gets bombarded by a non nuke unit, doesn't recieve damage

A hidden militia in an urban province,unscouted and unexposed will be destroyed by a nuclear bomber, I've done that in a 1939 HWW game against British Egypt AI... I got bored with my nuclear bombers and sent one to nuke Nairobi without scouting no intelligence, I read in the newspaper that a single militia died in the nuclear attack

Carking the 6th wrote:

Vanrendo wrote:

Claudio NVKP wrote:

Any hidden unit that gets bombarded by a non nuke unit, doesn't recieve damage

A hidden militia in an urban province,unscouted and unexposed will be destroyed by a nuclear bomber, I've done that in a 1939 HWW game against British Egypt AI... I got bored with my nuclear bombers and sent one to nuke Nairobi without scouting no intelligence, I read in the newspaper that a single militia died in the nuclear attack

He meant non Nuke unit, like artillery or missiles.

Vanrendo wrote:

Claudio NVKP wrote:

Any hidden unit that gets bombarded by a non nuke unit, doesn't recieve damage

A hidden militia in an urban province,unscouted and unexposed will be destroyed by a nuclear bomber, I've done that in a 1939 HWW game against British Egypt AI... I got bored with my nuclear bombers and sent one to nuke Nairobi without scouting no intelligence, I read in the newspaper that a single militia died in the nuclear attack

That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you. It means nukes can kill hidden units in cases where conventional weapons would not be able to touch them.

z00mz00m wrote:

Again, if you have a spy report on a unit, and it doesn't move, you can shell it then next day. That's the special case.

You can also damage stealth units that stack with normal units. You don't see them alive, but they take damage and you can see them when they die.

But if you don't have a spy report and just shoot at a province with no idea what's there, you will not hit stacks that you can't see. That's the normal behavior for stealth units.

This is all understood. You can try it if you don't believe me.

What I don't know is if a nuke would kill a hidden militia, one that would not be hit by regular bombs. Not in a spy report. Not stacked with regular units. Just a militia by itself, unknown to the bomber.

So far I'm not convinced by any of the answers because the posters don't understand why they are hitting militia with regular guns

jubjub bird wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

Try it. Park a militia in a forest. Ask a friend to shell it all day with a cruiser or artillery with no scouting units nearby. Nothing happens

That's not true. You can bombard units that you can't see.

jubjub bird wrote:

I am 100% positive that you can kill units that you can't see by bombarding them. I just killed a couple hidden militia with battleships yesterday. Perhaps the units you were targeting weren't in the exact place you were targeting. I move my coastal scout militia off province centers for this exact reason.

1) You can indeed bombard units you can't see.

2) You have to actually be bombarding the unit itself and not the land near it, at least with regular bombardments (I'm not going into nukes as I haven't played enough games to that stage yet). This is why parking stealth units off-centre works. Unless you've used spies to uncover such a unit it's very hard to correctly guess exactly where the unit is and bombard that exact area, even assuming you know there's a unit there at all. It's got nothing to do directly with how visible it is, but the consequences of not knowing exactly where it is.

It's hard to observe not hitting a target that you can't see

Perhaps I ought to have clarified that I'm mostly on the receiving end of this?

I learned about Point #1 by taking the time to read the other nations' battle and casualty reports.

Well hitting is easier to detect than not hitting.

I'm not sure what you are observing, or under what conditions, jubjub.

What I do know is that conventional artillery, ship cannons, and bombers do not damage standalone stealth units that are undetected. I've bombarded forests for hours, only to be ambushed by waiting militia. And I've done the same to others.

OK, but were those militia actually in the exact spot that was being bombarded? Because if they weren't (or there's no way to prove that they were), that doesn't invalidate the idea that it is possible to bombard and damage undetected units.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the evidence you've provided isn't incompatible with the observations others and I have made from which we've drawn different conclusions.

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DxC wrote:

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Lady Aragosta wrote:

OK, but were those militia actually in the exact spot that was being bombarded? Because if they weren't (or there's no way to prove that they were), that doesn't invalidate the idea that it is possible to bombard and damage undetected units.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the evidence you've provided isn't incompatible with the observations others and I have made from which we've drawn different conclusions.

z00mz00m wrote:

I'm not sure what you are observing, or under what conditions, jubjub.

What I do know is that conventional artillery, ship cannons, and bombers do not damage standalone stealth units that are undetected. I've bombarded forests for hours, only to be ambushed by waiting militia. And I've done the same to others.

I've done this with ships, ranged ground units, and even planes.

I have no explanation for these disparities.

Lady Aragosta wrote:

Maybe. I'm considering it. I'm considering a good deal of alliances including, bizarre as it may seem, Manchukuo.

Or perhaps wondering if I'm better off as an asset than a threat?

I'm Manchuko, Savior.

Asia trying not to get murdered by Japan:

Carking the 6th wrote:

Asia trying not to get murdered by Japan: