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9 Nov 2022, 19:58
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Protection to units while disembarking
Can you protect to your units while disembarking with cruisers ??
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9 Nov 2022, 19:59 (edited)
I wanted to unite my land units and planes with cruisers my land units ok but planes dont unite with cruisers at same pointDestructo the Great wrote:
yes
reason because I have aircraft carriers with full capacity at the same filotilla with cruisers ??
I wanted to protect other planes no place for which ones at carriers
and my rockets cant unite with cruisers too
9 Nov 2022, 21:15
Instead patrol over the fleet with the planes.Undaunted wrote:
I wanted to unite my land units and planes with cruisers my land units ok but planes dont unite with cruisers at same pointDestructo the Great wrote:
yesreason because I have aircraft carriers with full capacity at the same filotilla with cruisers ??
I wanted to protect other planes no place for which ones at carriers
and my rockets cant unite with cruisers too
And concerning the rockets, no Moskva in game here 
9 Nov 2022, 21:39
When you click on your rockets or planes does it say they are "Transport ships" or something else? If they are transport ships they should be able to join the Cruiser stack as far as I'm aware. If they instead say "Convoy" then they are land units and can't be in same stack as sea units.
10 Nov 2022, 14:25
Convoy Ships and Navy Ships are classified as different Sea Units, and therefore you must move the stacks together.DxC wrote:
When you click on your rockets or planes does it say they are "Transport ships" or something else? If they are transport ships they should be able to join the Cruiser stack as far as I'm aware. If they instead say "Convoy" then they are land units and can't be in same stack as sea units.
10 Nov 2022, 14:47
They're different sea units but they are stackable so that you can move them at the same speed. I just don't know whether that's also true for airplane sea convoys because I don't think I've ever tried that. I don't see why it wouldn't also apply to them, but it seems undaunted is having issues stacking them so maybe it doesn't.
10 Nov 2022, 14:53
It's not exactly clear what he is doing. He indicated he is trying to stack while disembarking, but at least at some point units will go from a sea vessel to a land unit while disembarking.jubjub bird wrote:
but it seems undaunted is having issues stacking them so maybe it doesn't
10 Nov 2022, 15:21
You CAN NOT stack units disembarking at different times, because Bytro saw this as, "well if i take units that just arrived and stack them with units that are about to disembark, i can cheat the system."
10 Nov 2022, 15:43
Yea all good points. I read his second post as implying that he tried to stack ships + land units (as convoys) + planes (as convoys) on the sea. This would allow the stack to move as one, so you can move it riiiight up next to the shore before disembarking so that the ships are (essentially) in the same location as the disembarking convoys and can provide defense (particularly cruisers providing anti-air). This would make the answer to his original question a "yes".
Now, if planes (as convoys) for some reason don't stack with other units while on the sea, I can see that being a challenge to someone trying to move everything in a single stack for maximum protection. It seems like his theory is that the presence of fully-loaded carriers within his ship stack is screwing with the ability to add convoy planes to the stack.
10 Nov 2022, 15:44
Agreed.jubjub bird wrote:
Yea all good points. I read his second post as implying that he tried to stack ships + land units (as convoys) + planes (as convoys) on the sea. This would allow the stack to move as one, so you can move it riiiight up next to the shore before disembarking so that the ships are (essentially) in the same location as the disembarking convoys and can provide defense (particularly cruisers providing anti-air). This would make the answer to his original question a "yes".Now, if planes (as convoys) for some reason don't stack with other units while on the sea, I can see that being a challenge to someone trying to move everything in a single stack for maximum protection. It seems like his theory is that the presence of fully-loaded carriers within his ship stack is screwing with the ability to add convoy planes to the stack.
11 Nov 2022, 13:21
The sprites will not be stacked, the units are in the same position, thus with respect to defense and attack they will count as a stackFox-Company wrote:
You CAN NOT stack units disembarking at different times, because Bytro saw this as, "well if i take units that just arrived and stack them with units that are about to disembark, i can cheat the system."
11 Nov 2022, 14:36
You CAN stack land units (as convoys) and warships together.
You CAN'T stack air units (as convoys) with either of those.
11 Nov 2022, 15:42
By "as convoys" I guess you mean Transport Ships? So you can't stack air unit Transport Ships with other naval vessels? Is that intended?K.Rokossovski wrote:
You CAN stack land units (as convoys) and warships together.You CAN'T stack air units (as convoys) with either of those.
11 Nov 2022, 15:58
Is there another state on water for land units than "as convoys"?
17 Nov 2022, 10:24
This is indeed confirmed, and in fact it should be considered a bug IMHO, why, if they start moving and there are differential speeds the convoys with planes will separate from the protection of the naval fleet, this is undesired and mechanically not ok, they are no different than land units on convoys.DxC wrote:
By "as convoys" I guess you mean Transport Ships? So you can't stack air unit Transport Ships with other naval vessels? Is that intended?K.Rokossovski wrote:
You CAN stack land units (as convoys) and warships together.You CAN'T stack air units (as convoys) with either of those.
2 Oct 2024, 11:40
my ground units moving with cruisers on sea and they unite as one stack but my planes when they came to same point with cruisers on sea they dont unite with cruisers and they are waiting as different stacks why ??K.Rokossovski wrote:
Is there another state on water for land units than "as convoys"?
2 Oct 2024, 22:04
Why are banana's curved? Because they are.
2 Oct 2024, 22:30
So cruisers still protect them or not ?K.Rokossovski wrote:
Why are banana's curved? Because they are.
3 Oct 2024, 01:40
Yes, if you manage to keep the convoys going at the same speed. Works fine if the transport is your slowest ship. Problems start if you add battleships. Then the plane transports can get ahead of the main convoy.
3 Oct 2024, 05:36
for example both of them waiting at same point over sea I gave order plane convoy march forward after a few second cruisers will start to move they can never start to move at the same time so you say a few second wont be a problem for directly attacks hmmz00mz00m wrote:
Yes, if you manage to keep the convoys going at the same speed. Works fine if the transport is your slowest ship. Problems start if you add battleships. Then the plane transports can get ahead of the main convoy.
I can carry other planes with aircraft carriers at normally but rocket fighters are a big problem
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