So I was thinking, how far can we push the game? A while back (prolly over a year or 2 ago) I made a thread regarding what if there was competitive speedrunning in the game. The intricacies would probably make the idea unfeasible, with all complications and validation checks regarding multiplayer, cheating, etc, but it would be nice to set a personal record.
Now, the central thesis of this thread: Can a solo victory be achieved by day 10? Obviously, on the bigger maps, like WaW (and perhaps the Pacific map), no. The victory threshold is too high and the number of VPs required to be captured per day is unfathomably high. Not saying that it is impossible, but highly unlikely (along with the fact very perfect circumstances must be achieved). However, the hypothesis I have is that it is possible for this to occur on the smaller maps, like Clash of Nations. The evidence to support (or disprove) this is being collected as we speak. I've looked at the countries in the map, and Sweden seems like a pretty good candidate for my plans: artillery, AT, militia, ACs, maybe LTs, cruisers/subs (depends on what Finland makes; if no naval base then cruisers first, if naval base then subs first). I'm experimenting with a no plane run; slightly annoying, but necessary in the beginning as goods and oil are hard to come by.
Thankfully, with this set of units, I have no lack of RMs, and plenty of metal and oil to develop industry. Sweden starts with 2 rurals for goods, 2 for metal, 1 for oil and 1 for RM, making it a powerhouse in terms of resources. As Sweden has very little food production (due to only the food city + the consumption by infantry), mot inf strats aren't viable, at least early game. MTs can be produced pretty rapidly, but the high production time and investment necessary may defeat the purpose; can't say for sure, as this is still a developing investigation. I've gone with militia since 1. stealth, 2. terrain (Sweden is mostly forest) and 3. cheapness, but it does come with the opportunity cost of being unable to upgrade infantry, as it would just be a waste of resources (research costs do add up, unfortunately).
Main problem is that in both my test games, Finland attacks. I joined the second game late so had to surrender territory so I didn't lose my units, and now its a stalemate. For the day 10 victory to be achieved, it may just be up to RNG on whether Finland is competent or not. To be fair, this is biased as I've joined the FP games, which have a higher average skill level than regular Europe maps.
The goal of this "experiment" is to see how far the game can be pushed; if a day 10 victory is possible, why not a day 5? It seems impossible now, but with the right strategy (and good RNG), it could be possible. Also, a key factor is that the method I will attempt to develop will aim to be as consistent as possible, so anyone with a grasp of the correct tactics and enough activity can achieve it. I am fully confident that this strategy will lead to quick victories, perhaps close enough to day 13-14 ones, but it remains to be seen if it is the same case for day 10 ones.
If anyone has any other suggestions for countries I should experiment on, please do say so. I know many will suggest the Russian Empire as a candidate; tho I have my doubts, since it is so far away from the necessary VPs. However, this may be from my inexperience with Comintern doctrine, since whilst I have played many games with the doctrine, I never leveraged it successfully like I have with Axis, Allied and Pan-Asian.
Read this related thread to see some of fastest victories (most are coalition, but the idea came from here
https://forum.callofwar.com/index.php?thread/45673-share-your-shortest-victories/&pageNo=4
Wish me luck 
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I think maybe you’re right, but also I think the point of this thread is to do it with maps when nations have equal strength. Good shout though!
Cecil Rhodes. wrote:
Yes, thats itCarking the 6th wrote:
Blitzkrieg, yes?
Exactly this. Of course BLITZKRIEG would be faster than other maps lol.SamPGS_17 wrote:
I think maybe you’re right, but also I think the point of this thread is to do it with maps when nations have equal strength. Good shout though!Cecil Rhodes. wrote:
Yes, thats itCarking the 6th wrote:
Blitzkrieg, yes?
Unfortunately, the gamemode is unfair in the sense that some countries have an advantage over others. For valid speedrun attempts, no Historical map could be used (those maps can be won in 5 days win correct gameplay and good luck)Cecil Rhodes. wrote:
I suppose that the Smaller Europe only version of HWW (I forgot its name) is the preferred map for this. Germany or france are especially good, as it'll take time for the US to reach you on the mainland. Of course, in the long run, the US has a 70% chance of beating germany, but if you blitz West and south europe, you almost are guaranteed to win as before day 5 the US cant land. If i recall, the vp req is around 350, and with a easy 100 vp from denmark and Netherlands, youre almost there. Again, this is if players are relatively equal and there is an unfair advantage at the start in hww maps, but for a shortest win, this'd be it.PS my best in this mode was 14 days solo and 17 days solo in clash of nations.
I never thought about this. It certainly makes sense now lolCarking the 6th wrote:
Exactly this. Of course BLITZKRIEG would be faster than other maps lol.
Update time: (Sorry I'm not that consistent)
I can't risk posting my army size and economy since these players are unusually active for newbies. I do, however, need advice for where to go next. I'm mopping up Norway and the Baltics, but no clue where to go from there without being attacked by another nation.
My advice? Make some allies. Ukraine would be a good option to gang-bang the Russian empire and Caucasus with. In fact conquering most of the map with some allies, and then betraying them last minute would not be a bad option to win in ten days. Of course you may now want to do that, and in that case you can just invade the Balkan union coalition with Ukraine and then kill them right after. Especially seeing that Western Europe is rather weak, it may be beneficial to take out the stronger countries in the east first, then storm your way west.
Hmm, I will contact Ukraine and see. @SamPGS_17, how's your Ukraine game going? Could you send like a screenshot of your expansion and VP?
Huge news: Russia just shared map with me (without me needing to do anything and is inviting me to their coalition. Should I take the opportunity and attack them? All their troops are about to invade Ukraine. They've got around 55 troops, very diverse set of troops: 1 militia, 1 AT, couple artillery, starting inf (+4 extra), a couple L2 LTs, a MT, a TD and 10 mot inf, plus a couple planes (a few ints, 1 tac, 1 strat, 1 att, and 1 nav. Signs of a newbie, but it is a long way to the cores of the Empire. Thoughts?
Let them start the war with Ukraine (Uh-oh) then attack. Their units will weaken Ukraine and make taking both down more easy.
Will do - after my hockey match i have in 30 mins ill post a full report_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Hmm, I will contact Ukraine and see. @SamPGS_17, how's your Ukraine game going? Could you send like a screenshot of your expansion and VP?
My idea exactly: glad to see brilliant minds work alike.Carking the 6th wrote:
Let them start the war with Ukraine (Uh-oh) then attack. Their units will weaken Ukraine and make taking both down more easy.
Nw nwSamPGS_17 wrote:
Will do - after my hockey match i have in 30 mins ill post a full report_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Hmm, I will contact Ukraine and see. @SamPGS_17, how's your Ukraine game going? Could you send like a screenshot of your expansion and VP?
Russia is goldinggggggggggggggg
Oh nooo that sucks_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Russia is goldinggggggggggggggg
Hopefully, I'll be fine. I still have a trick up my sleeve that might allow me to win.SamPGS_17 wrote:
Oh nooo that sucks_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Russia is goldinggggggggggggggg
Ooh excited to see it!_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Hopefully, I'll be fine. I still have a trick up my sleeve that might allow me to win.SamPGS_17 wrote:
Oh nooo that sucks_Pyth0n_ wrote:
Russia is goldinggggggggggggggg
Not surprising considering the high command…
Russia situation is currently fine, his main stacks are busy conquering Ukraine (I got the chance to see his armies and they have not turned back, surprisingly). I get the feeling he underestimates the threat I pose to his cores, and is relying on newly created units to defend them (a l2 LT is currently cruising its way into my lands from a core city). I just hope I can get some troops into position before he brings them back: 50+ troops compared to my 25ish troops in his land will suck tremendously. Thankfully, he moved his capital to Moscow and it is about to fall. If my blitz succeeds, I should control all the cities with buildings except an airbase city (Kubyshev) and another city (Kazan, don't remember what buildings it had)
Hopefully Ukraine slugs it out and they end up destroying each other for us!
10/10 nato tactics, let your enemies destroy each other for you!
Sweden update: Shared map with Poland and Romania is also helping in the conquest of Russia. They're pretty much dead anyways, I killed most of their troops in a doomstack battle in Moscow. No idea where to go from here, since I'm pretty sure Poland is allied with Romania, and so is Yugo, and Italy, Romania and the US are in a coalition...
The last image is Poland's full army size: I could try either Order 66ing or betraying them, but they would also be a nice buffer against Romania and Friends, Inc. Thoughts?
Also: I had to unfortunately archive both other Sweden games, since a lack of focus plus school inadvertently let my enemies counterattack and get me in a gridlock. Either way, wasn't like I was going to beat those games in 10 days, but hopefully this game I at least win (fingers crossed)
Edit: I spied on Yogu and found out they have ROW with Italy and Romania, maybe exploitable to my advantage. Same for Poland, also ROW.
Nice one! Keep us updated… maybe you won’t get the 10 days but it’ll be good experience for Sweden.
I imagine once we prépare Ukraine Will be easy for 10 days - perhaps Sweden is the next challenge!
Execute order 66! The points are worth it!
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