Someone said mean things to me on the forum

Joe I dont think you can call pre Oct 7 2023 relative peace.

I honestly thought that as a child of 9 I would see a just settlement in Palestine/Israel. Here we are 57 years later tens of thousands killed, mostly Arab and still no two state solution.

If only the US would stop blindly supporting Israel. Just waiting for China to start supporting the fanatics. That'll be fun not.

Joe Bartolozzi wrote:

But yes, what Israel is doing in Gaza right now is wrong and should be stopped (But they won't be stopped, Thank you America!)

Also, America has no right to tell Israel (or anyone else for that matter) what they can and can’t do. I’m sick and tired of them going into countries whenever they feel like it and installing “friendly” governments at the cost of millions of lives. Sure, Israel and other countries are massacring innocent people, but that doesn’t give America the right to do the same.

Well they have been arming them for decades.

Lol, your 'freedom fighter' Yahya Sinwar is probably dead.

Phillip Bosley wrote:

Joe Bartolozzi wrote:

But yes, what Israel is doing in Gaza right now is wrong and should be stopped (But they won't be stopped, Thank you America!)

Why is it always America’s job to regulate other nations? When the US does something, people complain about what they did, and when they don’t do anything, they complain for not doing something. America can’t win.

Also, America has no right to tell Israel (or anyone else for that matter) what they can and can’t do. I’m sick and tired of them going into countries whenever they feel like it and installing “friendly” governments at the cost of millions of lives. Sure, Israel and other countries are massacring innocent people, but that doesn’t give America the right to do the same.

No it is not. Israel is behaving like Germany during WWII. Once it stops occupying land that it has no legal right to then it has a case. The US has allowed this war between Israel and the Arab states to go on for decades. It should insist on a two state solution. Insist. Jerusalem could be a Vatican type city open for admin quarters of both Israel and Palestine. But Israel wont have it. It is always Israel that wont compromise. Stereotypes can be dangerous. Not in this case.

When was the last time it was defeated against either Hamas/Hezbollah? I don't recall it ever has.

SteelAss wrote:

Victim cards everywhere... Cant even play a war game without some muslim crying about something retarded.

BladeFisher wrote:

No it is not. Israel is behaving like Germany during WWII. Once it stops occupying land that it has no legal right to then it has a case. The US has allowed this war between Israel and the Arab states to go on for decades. It should insist on a two state solution. Insist. Jerusalem could be a Vatican type city open for admin quarters of both Israel and Palestine. But Israel wont have it. It is always Israel that wont compromise. Stereotypes can be dangerous. Not in this case.

When was the last time it was defeated against either Hamas/Hezbollah? I don't recall it ever has.

Joe Bartolozzi wrote:

Lol, your 'freedom fighter' Yahya Sinwar is probably dead.

Phillip Bosley wrote:

Joe Bartolozzi wrote:

But yes, what Israel is doing in Gaza right now is wrong and should be stopped (But they won't be stopped, Thank you America!)

Why is it always America’s job to regulate other nations? When the US does something, people complain about what they did, and when they don’t do anything, they complain for not doing something. America can’t win.Also, America has no right to tell Israel (or anyone else for that matter) what they can and can’t do. I’m sick and tired of them going into countries whenever they feel like it and installing “friendly” governments at the cost of millions of lives. Sure, Israel and other countries are massacring innocent people, but that doesn’t give America the right to do the same.

America can certainly stop arming Israel, can't it? Israel should only be armed when it faces an existential threat, which it is probably facing right now.

Komrade Khrushchev wrote:

BladeFisher wrote:

No it is not. Israel is behaving like Germany during WWII. Once it stops occupying land that it has no legal right to then it has a case. The US has allowed this war between Israel and the Arab states to go on for decades. It should insist on a two state solution. Insist. Jerusalem could be a Vatican type city open for admin quarters of both Israel and Palestine. But Israel wont have it. It is always Israel that wont compromise. Stereotypes can be dangerous. Not in this case.

When was the last time it was defeated against either Hamas/Hezbollah? I don't recall it ever has.

The only problem is, I don’t think Hamas and Hezbollah are open to that.

Carking the 6th wrote:

All its people are European Jews

Carking the 6th wrote:

I am. It’s kinda insane. More regular people who learn about the war are turning against Israel, but the government and this weird diehard Zionist sect does not care about any crime that is committed. You’re lucky to see a politician who says “both sides” let alone isn’t completely for Palestinian genocide.

Israel has no right to exist. It’s a white settler colonial state. All its people are European Jews who decided they somehow have the right to lands on another continent. The UN (which was just Europe and the U.S. for half its existence) simply let it take place as people like Arthur Balfour were anti-semites and wanted Jews out of Europe. If you wanted true justice, you’d either stand your ground and make sure Jews can live in their true ancestral homes for the last millennium, or carve out a Jewish state in Germany to teach THEM a lesson.

Yeaaah basically. More Palestinian children died in this was in Gaza than both Arab and Israeli casualties in all major Arab Israeli wars, the two intifadas, and multiple years of general violence combined.

1. Jews have been living in Israel/Palestine (formerly Judæa) for their entire existence. That’s where Judaism (and later Christianity) was born. Nearly all Jews lived in the region until Muslim caliphs conquested the region and forced most Jews to convert to Islam or flee to Europe.
2. Most Jews support the idea of a two-state solution, where both Israelis and Palestinians would be able to live in peace. Jerusalem would be a neutral city, meaning Jews, Muslims, and anyone else would be able to worship there. We are also generally in favor of a single multireligious, multicultural state. Most Palestinians, in the other hand, refuse both ideas and want to take over the entire region, displacing all Israeli Jews in the process.
3. There are, of course, some Israeli ultranationalists who want to take over the entire region and displace the Palestinians, just like there are some Palestinian ultranationalists who want to do the same to Israelis (which is what you seem to be). However, EVERY country has ultranationalist groups like this, be they racists, neo-nazis, homophobes, or whatever other bigots there are. EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY.
4. Israel is not an apartheid state. Israel’s mission is not to commit genocide, or ethnic cleansing, or assimilation, or any of that antisemitic nonsense. Our mission is to defend our country and protect ALL of our citizens, not just Jews. Did you know that 20% of Israel’s citizens are Arab? Arabs have complete equality with Jews in Israel, they are able to vote, hold government offices, go to school with Jews, and become any profession they want. Do Jews in Palestine have these same freedoms?
5. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization, not a resistance movement. It’s goal is the defeat of Israel and the removal of all Jews from the region. It literally says so in their charter. Hamas doesn’t care about the well-being of Palestinians. It uses civilians as human shields to protect their terrorists as well as building terrorist shelters beneath homes and public facilities such as hospitals. Many Palestinians hate Hamas but cannot speak out against them because Hamas runs Gaza like a police state.

The coward named Hezbollah exposed:

Israel is fighting for its very existence and for the security of its people. The war against Hezbollah is justified. Since October 8, 2023, Hezbollah has bombed north Israel, displacing 60,000 people from there, how is this "showing solidarity with the palestinians"? The world must not forget and let October 7 happen again.

God bless Israel.

Am Yisrael Chai!

BladeFisher wrote:

Komrade Khrushchev wrote:

BladeFisher wrote:

No it is not. Israel is behaving like Germany during WWII. Once it stops occupying land that it has no legal right to then it has a case. The US has allowed this war between Israel and the Arab states to go on for decades. It should insist on a two state solution. Insist. Jerusalem could be a Vatican type city open for admin quarters of both Israel and Palestine. But Israel wont have it. It is always Israel that wont compromise. Stereotypes can be dangerous. Not in this case.

When was the last time it was defeated against either Hamas/Hezbollah? I don't recall it ever has.

The only problem is, I don’t think Hamas and Hezbollah are open to that.

KK open to what?

You see you've got to understand how we got here. Prior to '47 there was a UN resolution to set up a Jewish state. The rationale - systematic Jewish persecution personified by Nazi ideology result 6m Jews massacred in Europe.

There were various options of where this Jewish state should be. Eventually it was 'agreed' (loosely) it should be in Palestine. But . . . that area was already occupied by largely Arab Palestinians.

So one can hardly be surprised when the Arabs rejected the proposal and we had if you like the first arab-israeli conflict where Israeli terrorists/cum freedom fighters were killing Arabs and Brits.

After Israel was created the Arab states roundabout who had opposed it wanted Israel gone and in essence it has all permeated from that.

The current situation really stems from the 1967 war and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis just wont compromise and under BN actively abuse the UN who they dont care about over the two occupations.

It is like Germany 1939-45 complaining about Polish/Jewish resistance and then massacring thousands of Jews because of that resistance alleging they are terrorists. Well to the German govt at the time they were but I think history has a different view.

jakobskot wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

I am. It’s kinda insane. More regular people who learn about the war are turning against Israel, but the government and this weird diehard Zionist sect does not care about any crime that is committed. You’re lucky to see a politician who says “both sides” let alone isn’t completely for Palestinian genocide.

Israel has no right to exist. It’s a white settler colonial state. All its people are European Jews who decided they somehow have the right to lands on another continent. The UN (which was just Europe and the U.S. for half its existence) simply let it take place as people like Arthur Balfour were anti-semites and wanted Jews out of Europe. If you wanted true justice, you’d either stand your ground and make sure Jews can live in their true ancestral homes for the last millennium, or carve out a Jewish state in Germany to teach THEM a lesson.

Yeaaah basically. More Palestinian children died in this was in Gaza than both Arab and Israeli casualties in all major Arab Israeli wars, the two intifadas, and multiple years of general violence combined.

Really disappointed in you to spew antisemitic nonsense like that. Blocking and reporting you. Here’s some little facts for you. Not propaganda, but facts.

1. Jews have been living in Israel/Palestine (formerly Judæa) for their entire existence. That’s where Judaism (and later Christianity) was born. Nearly all Jews lived in the region until Muslim caliphs conquested the region and forced most Jews to convert to Islam or flee to Europe.
2. Most Jews support the idea of a two-state solution, where both Israelis and Palestinians would be able to live in peace. Jerusalem would be a neutral city, meaning Jews, Muslims, and anyone else would be able to worship there. We are also generally in favor of a single multireligious, multicultural state. Most Palestinians, in the other hand, refuse both ideas and want to take over the entire region, displacing all Israeli Jews in the process.
3. There are, of course, some Israeli ultranationalists who want to take over the entire region and displace the Palestinians, just like there are some Palestinian ultranationalists who want to do the same to Israelis (which is what you seem to be). However, EVERY country has ultranationalist groups like this, be they racists, neo-nazis, homophobes, or whatever other bigots there are. EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY.
4. Israel is not an apartheid state. Israel’s mission is not to commit genocide, or ethnic cleansing, or assimilation, or any of that antisemitic nonsense. Our mission is to defend our country and protect ALL of our citizens, not just Jews. Did you know that 20% of Israel’s citizens are Arab? Arabs have complete equality with Jews in Israel, they are able to vote, hold government offices, go to school with Jews, and become any profession they want. Do Jews in Palestine have these same freedoms?
5. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization, not a resistance movement. It’s goal is the defeat of Israel and the removal of all Jews from the region. It literally says so in their charter. Hamas doesn’t care about the well-being of Palestinians. It uses civilians as human shields to protect their terrorists as well as building terrorist shelters beneath homes and public facilities such as hospitals. Many Palestinians hate Hamas but cannot speak out against them because Hamas runs Gaza like a police state.

So close yet so far. A tragedy for the whole world. Dont think 9/11 would have happened if that deal had actually happened.

We need Israel to actively encourage a 2 state solution. And they dont and more importantly they wont. Their security is always a love in from the US. Perhaps Iran needs to cultivate China more.

The suffering of the Palestinians is vile. They deserve a medal from putting up with this s*** from Israel. Where we at now a 42:1 murder exchange??

All the Israelis bleat on about is wo us we are constantly under threat wo wo.

Yeah I am sure if Gaza and Lebanon had Iron Dome and the same level of support as the yanks give Israel we at least would have a fairer contest. I totally get why radical Palestinians feel the western world lets them down. And we have.

BladeFisher wrote:

The current situation really stems from the 1967 war and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis just wont compromise and under BN actively abuse the UN who they dont care about over the two occupations.

Hey look I like talking with you. But if Israel isnt occupying Gaza right now who is? Because clearly everyone has got it wrong and the tanks and troops are from Ukraine who mistook Gaza for Kursk owing to a dodgy satnav.

I dont have a problem with Israel's right to exist, but hey until you guys agree a two state solution this is going on for another 80 years at least.

Israel would always be the dominant state but if we can get peace in Ireland we can get it in Palestine (geographic reference here).

Jakob are you in Israel?

jakobskot wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

I am. It’s kinda insane. More regular people who learn about the war are turning against Israel, but the government and this weird diehard Zionist sect does not care about any crime that is committed. You’re lucky to see a politician who says “both sides” let alone isn’t completely for Palestinian genocide.

Israel has no right to exist. It’s a white settler colonial state. All its people are European Jews who decided they somehow have the right to lands on another continent. The UN (which was just Europe and the U.S. for half its existence) simply let it take place as people like Arthur Balfour were anti-semites and wanted Jews out of Europe. If you wanted true justice, you’d either stand your ground and make sure Jews can live in their true ancestral homes for the last millennium, or carve out a Jewish state in Germany to teach THEM a lesson.

Yeaaah basically. More Palestinian children died in this was in Gaza than both Arab and Israeli casualties in all major Arab Israeli wars, the two intifadas, and multiple years of general violence combined.

Really disappointed in you to spew antisemitic nonsense like that. Blocking and reporting you. Here’s some little facts for you. Not propaganda, but facts.

1. Jews have been living in Israel/Palestine (formerly Judæa) for their entire existence. That’s where Judaism (and later Christianity) was born. Nearly all Jews lived in the region until Muslim caliphs conquested the region and forced most Jews to convert to Islam or flee to Europe.
2. Most Jews support the idea of a two-state solution, where both Israelis and Palestinians would be able to live in peace. Jerusalem would be a neutral city, meaning Jews, Muslims, and anyone else would be able to worship there. We are also generally in favor of a single multireligious, multicultural state. Most Palestinians, in the other hand, refuse both ideas and want to take over the entire region, displacing all Israeli Jews in the process.
3. There are, of course, some Israeli ultranationalists who want to take over the entire region and displace the Palestinians, just like there are some Palestinian ultranationalists who want to do the same to Israelis (which is what you seem to be). However, EVERY country has ultranationalist groups like this, be they racists, neo-nazis, homophobes, or whatever other bigots there are. EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY.
4. Israel is not an apartheid state. Israel’s mission is not to commit genocide, or ethnic cleansing, or assimilation, or any of that antisemitic nonsense. Our mission is to defend our country and protect ALL of our citizens, not just Jews. Did you know that 20% of Israel’s citizens are Arab? Arabs have complete equality with Jews in Israel, they are able to vote, hold government offices, go to school with Jews, and become any profession they want. Do Jews in Palestine have these same freedoms?
5. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization, not a resistance movement. It’s goal is the defeat of Israel and the removal of all Jews from the region. It literally says so in their charter. Hamas doesn’t care about the well-being of Palestinians. It uses civilians as human shields to protect their terrorists as well as building terrorist shelters beneath homes and public facilities such as hospitals. Many Palestinians hate Hamas but cannot speak out against them because Hamas runs Gaza like a police state.

1. Indeed, they have been living for millenniums. And those Jews stayed after the Islamic conquests, though most became Muslims. Those same Jews were expelled a thousand years later from their own homes. Jews almost certainly did NOT flee to Europe. Forced conversion is haram and if done was not an Islamic act. Some acts did take place historically, but not on a large scale, and definitely not in this era. The vast majority of Jews remained and converted, especially because at this time there weren’t really many organized states for Jews to flee to. Persia? Muslims. Spain? Muslim. Byzantium? Possibly… although 2/3 were now Muslim. It’s too bad I could find literally no source on Jews fleeing the Rashidun conquest en masse.

The Islamic world was a safe haven for Jews during the Middle Ages. Jews even fled there and were given asylum by the Ottomans and Mamluks during the Spanish Inquisition and genocide of non-Catholics in Iberia. There were some massacres and persecution, indeed, however these were far less numerous, extreme, common or systemic as in Europe

Unlike Europe, with its disgusting ghettos and mass slaughters of Jews, Palestine during Islamic control was significantly more harmonious. Communities of Jews in Morocco, Palestine, and other parts of Dar al-Islam lived rather peacefully with and among Muslims. After the overthrow of the (admittedly genocidal) Fatimids by the Ayyubids, Saladin would in fact guarantee Jewish rights. When the crusaders came and took Jerusalem, they committed a mass slaughter. Jews, Muslims, even Christians were murdered. When Saladin retook Jerusalem and various other cities, he in fact did much the opposite, sparing the vast majority of civilians. Christians in the Arab world, like in Syria or the Copts of Egypt completely supported the Sultan for this reason…

2. Two state solution? Seriously? The government literally voted against it in the UN and official statements outright reject the plan. Jerusalem was exactly that- a place of worship for all faiths before the creation of Israel. The formation of the state and its takeover of the city destroyed this. Furthermore, polls show that only 28% of Israeli Jews support the two state solution. You straight up lied there, Israelis do not support the two state solutions, through the majority of Arab Israelis do.

3. I never said anything about displacement. But yes, like Rhodesia and Apratheid South Africa, the state of Israel as we know it must cease to exist. And just like in those nations, white people would have the full right to remain, but must accept “native” rule. As for your own ultranationalists… they seem to have literal governmental control! And you ALREADY displaced and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocents. There are countless stories of Palestinian civilians being massacred, raped and shot for merely attempting to return home after being kicked out of their own houses.

4. This is pretty hilarious. Israel already committed mass ethnic cleansing. It’s bombing tens of thousands of civilians, majority of the dead are women and children when, if you are correct, Hamas is hiding in the tunnels! Of course, burning olive trees, farms, villages, in the past and present was all an act to protect your people!

Arab Israelis. This argument. Yet you forget the fact that Arab Israelis are among the poorest citizens in the nation. They are constantly profiled, harassed and shadowed by the state. It’s similar to Jim Crowe America. Legally, black and white Americans were seemingly equal, yet in actuality, the system directly persecuted them. Let’s not also forget the fact that Israel has been described as committing apartheid by the UN, human rights groups, and even current and former members of the IDF. If the Israeli government thinks Arabs are equal, then why were Palestinians exiled from their homeland? Why does Israel call itself “the Jewish state?” Palestine was never just the “Islamic” or “Arab” state/province. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived there together for centuries, we’ve b with nations like the Fatimids or Christian crusaders brutally attacking this society.

Jews in Palestine “don’t” have rights because they don’t exist. Why? After centuries of peaceful coexistence, they either migrated, expelled, or were compelled to immigrate from their homelands. Indeed, part of this was straight up racism, as the horrors of the Nakba bred idiotic ideologies. However, there was also a campaign by the Israeli government to bring as many Jews into the country, no matter where. I should note that antisemitism also rose as a result of European (even some Nazi) influence. Disgusting and unjustifiable, nevertheless.

Oh, and by the way, if you would have read the Palestinian constitution, you would know that they do have equal rights for all, including Jews.

If a New Yorker who does not even practice his faith can come and receive citizenship, than why not do the same for a Palestinian in Jordan, who are Muslims who can trace their own ancestry to this land, and not thousands, but tens of years ago (or just a few months?

5. Ah, yes, Hamas. Hamas is a product of Israel, you do know this, yes? Your own (also undemocratically elected) leader bragged about funding them in their early years. Indeed, in order to destabilize the far more moderate Fatah government, Israel supported the Hamas takeover of Gaza. There is some evidence even in the 90’s during the existence of the old and very racist Hamas Charter. BTW their modern charter calls for the return of the 1967 borders. There is evidence of them wishing for more, but your source of the Hamas Charter of 2018 does not call for the end of Israel. It even seems to include pro-Jewish notes. This is the most extreme organization that is standing against Israel?

As a quick rundown, I went and estimated the amount of civilian deaths in the Intifadas and Arab Israeli wars. I then increased this estimate a bit to make up for any mistakes and smaller scale deaths such as settlers being murdered and the like.

I got 6,400, though I’ll bump it to 10,000 just to be safe.

So far, there is an estimate of 16,000 deaths in Gaza. Of children. Not men and women, just children. That’s not also accounting for the fact that Israel has suppressed journalism in the area, the fact that this estimate is months old, and the continued deaths that will come of this horrid bombing.

In the Gulf war, the coalition killed about 4000 civilians. While this was has gone on for 5 more months, 4x the amount of children died in a land 20 times less populated. Of course, American handling of the aftermath caused hundreds of thousands of more deaths, but regardless the numbers do not lie.

And if Palestinians do hate Hamas, killing them and making Hamas the only thing between the bombs and their families (or their only way to gain revenge after losing so many loved ones, including their families) is an idiotic decision. You wish to protect your people? Funding people who dislike you in comparison to the much more amiable Fatah is an idiotic decision. Bombing and shooting your own hostages dead is an idiotic decision. Opening the eyes of millions of, Arabs, Jews and Westerners to the sheer horror that Israel commits on a daily basis is an idiotic decision.

And what of the West Bank? If you want peace, why break the agreement of 1967, and colonize the West Bank, an act even the UN condemns. Why slaughter and oppress thousands of Palestinians there, when they do very little, and their government is not even hostile.

I could delve into each of these points more than 12 times more if needed. But I do not need to. The state of Israel and the Zionist project spit on all the hardships and suffering that Jews across human history have faced. It takes its lessons this pain taught, and spits upon it. The fact you’d call someone who despises his people’s slaughter an anti semite, a term that describes people who committed heinous evil, is rather disgusting. Every time you describe someone as such, you dilute the meaning and impact of that word. Arthur Balfour- He was an anti semite. He fulfilled this hatred by starting a process that led to millions of Jews leaving their homes after centuries, after fighting to survive and reclaim them from the fascist scum. Overall, what a shameful situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule#:~:text=During%20the%20Middle%20Ages%2C%20Jewish,opportunities%20became%20available%20to%20them.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/anti-semitism/medieval-antisemitism/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution#:~:text=At%20the%20end%20of%20October,and%2028.6%25%20of%20Israeli%20Jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/05/does-israels-treatment-palestinians-rise-level-apartheid

https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The%20Hamas-Covenant.aspx

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

https://menarights.org/sites/default/files/2016-11/PAL_Constitution2003_EN_0.pdf

https://operationalsupport.un.org/en/israels-illegal-occupation-of-palestinian-territory-tantamount-to-settler-colonialism-un-expert

https://forward.com/opinion/386480/its-time-to-admit-that-arthur-balfour-was-a-white-supremacist-and-an-anti-s/?amp=1

BladeFisher wrote:

BladeFisher wrote:

Komrade Khrushchev wrote:

BladeFisher wrote:

No it is not. Israel is behaving like Germany during WWII. Once it stops occupying land that it has no legal right to then it has a case. The US has allowed this war between Israel and the Arab states to go on for decades. It should insist on a two state solution. Insist. Jerusalem could be a Vatican type city open for admin quarters of both Israel and Palestine. But Israel wont have it. It is always Israel that wont compromise. Stereotypes can be dangerous. Not in this case.

When was the last time it was defeated against either Hamas/Hezbollah? I don't recall it ever has.

The only problem is, I don’t think Hamas and Hezbollah are open to that.

KK open to what?

OK sussed now. Yes I would probably guess that might be the case but pretty damn sure they are open to a two state solution.

You see you've got to understand how we got here. Prior to '47 there was a UN resolution to set up a Jewish state. The rationale - systematic Jewish persecution personified by Nazi ideology result 6m Jews massacred in Europe.

There were various options of where this Jewish state should be. Eventually it was 'agreed' (loosely) it should be in Palestine. But . . . that area was already occupied by largely Arab Palestinians.

So one can hardly be surprised when the Arabs rejected the proposal and we had if you like the first arab-israeli conflict where Israeli terrorists/cum freedom fighters were killing Arabs and Brits.

After Israel was created the Arab states roundabout who had opposed it wanted Israel gone and in essence it has all permeated from that.

The current situation really stems from the 1967 war and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis just wont compromise and under BN actively abuse the UN who they dont care about over the two occupations.

It is like Germany 1939-45 complaining about Polish/Jewish resistance and then massacring thousands of Jews because of that resistance alleging they are terrorists. Well to the German govt at the time they were but I think history has a different view.

Can we please have a @moderator close this thread?